US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Hate2fly]

Thx for posting this, Hate.

It's perfect and right on time.

breeze

Breeze,

Enjoy the Alps!

Hate

 

[mrbreeze]

OpEd: Should USAPA Revive the Joint Negotiating Committee and Provide a Rational Counter-Proposal?

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OpEd for September 23, 2011:

Webadmin OpEd: Each year US Airways' pilots continue to delay the closing of a better contract, we fall further behind the rest of the industry. This delay will cause another enormous financial loss for our pilots because of the time value of money. Should we bring back the original Joint Negotiating Committee, revive the Kirby proposal & other agreed upon contract items, create a real Negotiating Committee, and present a rational counter-proposal to stop our bleeding?

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Hey CM,

Ya know, I had to ride JS to work on Wed. There were 2 of us riding JS in the A321 and the Cpt told me to do whatever was needed to make ourselves at home. The FO was busy with paperwork and was getting the clearence at the time and it was time to close the door and get under way. I was in the middle of moving the FO's duffle type of a bag off of the top of his roller board and was going to lay my rollerboard on top of his, then replace his duffle bag. He freakin' came unglued....dropped everything he was doing, got out of his seat and told me that he just hated it when other people touched his stuff. I backed off and apologized. He proceeded to rearrange the bags EXACTLY in the same fashion that I was doing. I noticed that he was so wound up in his paper work and all the notes that he had during the flight that he could barely keep up with where the aircraft was on that leg. Also, the Cpt and the FO said very little to each other throughout the flight. Strange dude.

Why am I telling you this? Honestly.....and I swear to God, I just couldn't wait to finally get to Philly and unstack the bags to see if your name was on his bag tag. I just knew it was you.

Get a life.

breeze

 

[Black Swan]

Keep clicking those heels Dorthy. It is you that needs to understand arbitration. I suggest that you educate yourself on the process.

This is the award from T/A 10



The arbitrator threw it back at the company and the union to work out the remedy. Why would the arbitrator let the parties decide the money? They could not. Another arbitration was held last week. Read the transcripts. Point out where the union talked about remedy in the arbitration hearing?

Educate before speaking. Call the grievance committee if you don't believe me. Let them explain it to you.

BTW you say Parker will comply. Why? Who is going to make him? What if Parker just says NO? What are you going to do?

Where was the REMEDY phase in the Nicolau Clear? I don't remember Nicolau going to the two parties and telling them to work it out. He simply gave an award, a jacked one at that. I do recall the REMEDY though! WE MADE ALPA A SMOKING HOLE! 😛

 

[mrbreeze]

Move,

Classic! John is a good guy!

Hate

I think one confusing thing here is that if a snapback had been put in place, it would have applied to the higher rates than we are hoping to win and would have been spelled out as a specific amount. This is more about a legal document and how it works. It doesn't take us back to the days of $220/hr A320 rates, but just gets us back to what was going on with LOA84....Snapback doesn't mean anything here.

breeze

 

[mrbreeze]

Where ya been HATE? , get the paddles out a good ole spanking is about to begin! MM!

LOL

 

[Move2CLT]

REALLY? That's not the reading we got, are you in BIZARRO WORLD?

Why has your CIRP been activated MnM? Last time they activated it was when Nic came out. You guys were suicidal back then and USAPA thinks it may come to that again.

 

[Move2CLT]

LOL

Ya, LOL!!!

 

[cactusboy53]

Really???
What do you call all the "5 in 5" trash talk and the continual assault on the professionalism and commitment of this pilot group. You people make light of the blood spilt on the ground and the effort it took to not only keep this airline alive, but accept, embrace and become industry leaders in CRM, Error Management, and AQP. One issue (the NIC) made it personal and it should not be so. You back comments from posters like Move2CLT that do nothing but further divide the entire pilot group. Don't point the finger at USAPA without taking a good look at those of you on the West that dance with glee and make fun of the darkest days in an East pilots career.

THAT'S what you did. GOT IT???

Driver <_<

1. ITT is simply a satirical look at the path we have been forced down. Sorry if it (and the TRUTH in it) hurts your little feelers.
2. You guys do a fine job all on your own assaulting "the professionalism and commitment of the pilot group", you don't need our help.
3. If your feelers are hurt because we make jest of your antics, it is only in response to being called DRUNKS, LOSERS, SLACKERS, SUCKERS, SCUM, SCABS, SEMI-SCABS, oh and ROOKIES. The only thing that you are leading this industry in is FOLLY.
4. Move2CLT is one of many that are tired of your whining, chest thumping, & seeking some sort of compromise from the already compromised position. You really expect us to "accept & embrace" a group that is fully willing to steal what does not belong to them (using our union dues to do so)? USAPA's patron saint: ST. Happenin'
5. USAPA is THE VEHICLE that Bradford started up to get us here, and it is a FACT that he did so as the means to evade a final & binding seniority award.

The Nicolau list didn't make this personal, YOU DID. Any person or group with INTEGRITY would have (while upset) accepted the list and moved on to complete the joint contract. YOU DID NOT. Further, your stellar legal team has now collected over 10 MILLION dollars of OUR DUES money with a PROMISED slam dunk. Guess what? NO SLAM DUNK, but the legal team has left the building!

You got that, Skipper?

 

[Black Swan]

Swan, the east CIRP has been activated. Call them so they can start talking you down.

We volunteered them for you guys, and especially Doug. Please make sure you get him a designated driver or a cab. We all remember what happened last time he got bad news. It won't be a one day deal on a Sunday this time........

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

We volunteered them for you guys, and especially Doug. Please make sure you get him a designated driver or a cab. We all remember what happened last time he got bad news.

DUI DOUG gotta luv it! MM!

 

[Black Swan]

We're not getting that kind of a pay raise. Where do you come off with this s...!

Jetjok1, re read the Butkovic testimony/explanation. Seems to be the book rates are the LOA 84 rates that are the underlying "asset" we have in our argument. That would be roughly 185 /hr for narrowbody captain, and roughly 125 hr F/O. There are really no other rates that mean anything in this argument as it was presented. The only published rates Kasher can really reference are those 84 rates. This is going to be very interesting!

 

[luvthe9]

Jetjok1, re read the Butkovic testimony/explanation. Seems to be the book rates are the LOA 84 rates that are the underlying "asset" we have in our argument. That would be roughly 185 /hr for narrowbody captain, and roughly 125 hr F/O. There are really no other rates that mean anything in this argument as it was presented. The only published rates Kasher can really reference are those 84 rates. This is going to be very interesting!

This is too much for them, they can't handle the truth. I would be very upset it I was a westie being lead down the wrong path by Ferguson, he alone has cost his pilot group big time, what ashame. PS Yo Clear I don't expect a check the next day for 100,000 thousand it's more like 115,500, I can give them a month or so to pay up.

 

[Black Swan]

Move2wherever, you never did get back on that simple statement you made. Here is some more fun stuff!



Bill_Wilder says:
August 18, 2009 at 1:41 pm
I didn’t say the process was flawed, I stated that the arbitration award didn’t conform to the arbitration agreement reflected in ALPA merger policy. It is well-established that you can challenge awards on that basis.

And the “process” worked at DAL/NWA because–for the first time in the history of ALPA Merger Policy–a three-arbitrator panel (with no pilot representatives was used.) ALPA didn’t trust that transaction to the typical merger process–doubtless in light of the AAA/AWA process.

“There is no compromise left” is a ridiculous statement. It was attitudes like that that caused the Wye River effort to fail and ALPA to lose the election to USAPA. And for there to be no combined CBA four years after the merger. A great track record of success.

 

[luvthe9]

Move2wherever, you never did get back on that simple statement you made. Here is some more fun stuff!



Bill_Wilder says:
August 18, 2009 at 1:41 pm
I didn’t say the process was flawed, I stated that the arbitration award didn’t conform to the arbitration agreement reflected in ALPA merger policy. It is well-established that you can challenge awards on that basis.

And the “process” worked at DAL/NWA because–for the first time in the history of ALPA Merger Policy–a three-arbitrator panel (with no pilot representatives was used.) ALPA didn’t trust that transaction to the typical merger process–doubtless in light of the AAA/AWA process.

“There is no compromise left” is a ridiculous statement. It was attitudes like that that caused the Wye River effort to fail and ALPA to lose the election to USAPA. And for there to be no combined CBA four years after the merger. A great track record of success.

OUCH!!!! That hurts.

 

[cleardirect]

This is too much for them, they can't handle the truth. I would be very upset it I was a westie being lead down the wrong path by Ferguson, he alone has cost his pilot group big time, what ashame. PS Yo Clear I don't expect a check the next day for 100,000 thousand it's more like 115,500, I can give them a month or so to pay up.

Yo 9.

You have if you own them you will pay them in quotes. I can not find anywhere Kasher said that. Where in the transcripts did he say it? Or are you making it up?