US Pilots Labor Discussion

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Yo 9.

You have if you own them you will pay them in quotes. I can not find anywhere Kasher said that. Where in the transcripts did he say it? Or are you making it up?

Keep look'n MITCH!

 

[cleardirect]

Jetjok1, re read the Butkovic testimony/explanation. Seems to be the book rates are the LOA 84 rates that are the underlying "asset" we have in our argument. That would be roughly 185 /hr for narrowbody captain, and roughly 125 hr F/O. There are really no other rates that mean anything in this argument as it was presented. The only published rates Kasher can really reference are those 84 rates. This is going to be very interesting!

Believe what you want. I have tried to help you out but you refuse to learn. Have you called the grievance comm yet? Let us know what they say.

Either way you are in for a big disappointment. More than likely a straight loss. Or if on the off chance waiting forever for the new rate. Man are you guys going to be mad. AGAIN!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Believe what you want. I have tried to help you out but you refuse to learn. Have you called the grievance comm yet? Let us know what they say.

Either way you are in for a big disappointment. More than likely a straight loss. Or if on the off chance waiting forever for the new rate. Man are you guys going to be mad. AGAIN!

"I have tried to help you out" Yea like we need it, go F*&^ yourself ! Get some Money for Marty!

 

[mrbreeze]

It is time to realize that when you got hired does not matter. DOH is not part of the matrix. Is that simple enough for you to understand.

No, you are wrong. The VERY simple side in this life is that... regardless of age and any social setting, if you try to force yourself into cutting in line ahead of those who were there first, you get your ass kicked with the support of all the people in the line.

That is where NIC screwed it up....he got you guys to thinking you were better and deserved more. He should have at least considered the idea that his idea would never get off the ground.

breeze

 

[luvn737s]

[OpEd for September 23, 2011:

why are you so quick to let the company off the hook and be paid less than you are worth? Do you not fly jets from A to B jut like DL and SW?

The crux of the problem with USAPA is that the company is not, nor will they ever be "on the hook" as long as USAPA represents the east exclusively and continues to perpetuate the divisiveness that hatched it. You can't negotiate anything more than what the company will charitably donate to the pilots unless the legitimate threat of a strike exists. There will always be insufficient unity to move the ball forward unless the Nic or it's equivalent is implemented. It is the only integration methodology that has been deemed fair by a mutually-agreed to neutral party.

 

[Move2CLT]

Jetjok1, re read the Butkovic testimony/explanation. Seems to be the book rates are the LOA 84 rates that are the underlying "asset" we have in our argument. That would be roughly 185 /hr for narrowbody captain, and roughly 125 hr F/O. There are really no other rates that mean anything in this argument as it was presented. The only published rates Kasher can really reference are those 84 rates. This is going to be very interesting!

You've lost. CIRP is ready to take your phone calls.

 

[Move2CLT]

No, you are wrong. The VERY simple side in this life is that... regardless of age and any social setting, if you try to force yourself into cutting in line ahead of those who were there first, you get your ass kicked with the support of all the people in the line.

That is where NIC screwed it up....he got you guys to thinking you were better and deserved more. He should have at least considered the idea that his idea would never get off the ground.

breeze

No breeze, you are wrong. You were first at US Air, not at LCC. Your airline, as well as mine, went away. We all got here at the exact same time. Nic didn't screw up - he nailed it perfectly. You guys got on your entitlement kick and refuse to let go. At least you've paid for your ignorance.

 

[fodase]

No, you are wrong. The VERY simple side in this life is that... regardless of age and any social setting, if you try to force yourself into cutting in line ahead of those who were there first, you get your ass kicked with the support of all the people in the line.

That is where NIC screwed it up....he got you guys to thinking you were better and deserved more. He should have at least considered the idea that his idea would never get off the ground.

breeze

So Breeze why are airtran/swa not going DOH? how about usair/trump? nwa/dal? jet america/alaska? republic/frontier? fedex/tigers? aa/twa? reno/aa? swa/morris? I probably have forgotten a few but you get the idea.

 

[apollo]

The loa93 debate is useless on this forum, it is up to Mr Kasher now. The seniority arbitration finality will be resolved by Judge Silver, her only legal ruling, like Judge Wake and the 9th Circuit, is that the company is not a liable party.

There will be a corporate transaction with American Airlines by the end of the year, how it plays out for you personally, follow the money and profitable routes, then plan accordingly.

Nice try alpa and "volunteers", you underestimated the East pilots.

 

[luvn737s]

No, you are wrong. The VERY simple side in this life is that... regardless of age and any social setting, if you try to force yourself into cutting in line ahead of those who were there first, you get your ass kicked with the support of all the people in the line.

That is where NIC screwed it up....he got you guys to thinking you were better and deserved more. He should have at least considered the idea that his idea would never get off the ground.

breeze

If you can't get beyond the fact that no one is cutting into YOUR line, but that one new line is being constructed out of two, then you won't understand why Nic did what he did.

Again, it's a SENIORITY integration, not a LONGEVITY integration and ITS NOT YOUR LINE that another group is being grafted onto. Understand those two concepts and you can move forward.

 

[traderjake]

No, you are wrong. The VERY simple side in this life is that... regardless of age and any social setting, if you try to force yourself into cutting in line ahead of those who were there first, you get your ass kicked with the support of all the people in the line.

The West brought 120 airplanes to the merger and the seats on those airplanes were taken.

East F/Os are not going to remove the West Captains in those seats because they want to sit down now.

Got your a** back in the new (Nicolau drawn) line.

 

[SparrowHawk]

I think I know why they call you guys Pilots!

The Management shovels it and you guys Pile It and then you get to be PHd's (Piled Higher & Deeper)

 

[nycbusdriver]

Part 2 of Donn B.

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Hate2Fly,

I really wish you would refrain from inserting Donn Butkovics' statements here. Although Donn is a practicing, licensed attorney, why should we give his words a second thought when we have Cleareddirect, BoingoBoingoBoy (sitting in his basement,) 700UW (stocking the stock room,) and Moved2CLT to weigh in on these matters. Theirs is obviously more knowledgeable input than a mere attorney who has negotiated union contracts before.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Time to give a rest driver. The draft decision was out and in the hands of both parties about three weeks ago. The executive session came and went with no changes to the decision and it was announced to both parties that it would be release sometime in the next 7-10 days. USAPA has activated its CIRP and is pulling its members offline for the impending announcement. It has gone completely in the company's favor.

Its better that you start accepting this now.

When Kasher gives the pilots the money, what are you going to change your screen name to so we can have a heads-up?

I suspect we will never hear from Move2CLT again if Kasher comes through, as you will slink away like the typical west whipped puppy.

 

[mrbreeze]

If you can't get beyond the fact that no one is cutting into YOUR line, but that one new line is being constructed out of two, then you won't understand why Nic did what he did.

Again, it's a SENIORITY integration, not a LONGEVITY integration and ITS NOT YOUR LINE that another group is being grafted onto. Understand those two concepts and you can move forward.

Now, that is a good point and I will consider that in the future as far as my comments. I still have a problem in digesting the fact that the NIC can concievably cause me to retire in the right seat after what I have given to this company throughout my lifetime and the amount of time that I have left to try and build some kind of retirement.

Noted, but will take time to digest. 🙂

breeze