US Pilots Labor Discussion

[mikey60]

I was simply replying to A320Driver's comments of our "attacks" against the east pilot group. My commentary addressed most of 'Driver's points, and that we are quite simply defending against the attacks directed against our pilot group.

It is not funny, and it has been made personal. This has gone so far, that the courts will be the ONLY end game.

Meds are cool. Self medicating with a Rotator IPA (2 is the limit...strong medicine).

Just returned home. Don't go back until the 6th (2 day), then the 18th (4+2). Leaves are turning in the Ozarks, and the mornings are cool. A little pistol practice tomorrow, and perhaps golf in the afternoon. Life is truly good, I just expect better of those that disappoint me. 🙂

Not bad, I called in sick twice and they bought a trip so I havent turned a wheel yet. Shot 2 flats of shells at skeet so far this month and 18 in the morning so its nite nite.

 

[luvn737s]

http://www.star-telegram.com/2011/09/22/3389674/unions-for-airtran-southwest-pilots.html

Southwest, AirTran reach agreement with union pilots

This shouldn't be glossed over.

FL/WN did not go to arbitration and they did not file for single carrier status with the NMB because they wanted to retain control over the process.

Now USAPA is in control of the process AND has to provide legitimate representation of both side's interests. Instead, they choose to do nothing and deny the west any contractual improvements in order to deliver a de facto DOH list for the east as long as they can. If that's not enough, in their quest for relevance, they simultaneously put the union in financial jeopardy and undermine any negotiating capital they may have had at the table.

The courts should not be a substitute for effective union leadership.

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

This shouldn't be glossed over.

FL/WN did not go to arbitration and they did not file for single carrier status with the NMB because they wanted to retain control over the process.

Um, it was ALPA that drove that particular process, something you westies bought off on, right? Be prepared to "eat it".

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

I'd not wait to call CIRP or EAP there MM. You're wound so tight that you've lost the ability to read - I didn't make the post you responded to. You even quoted that post and still addressed the reply to me. You need help now...

Jim

Well good, your the one that demands proof! I would have thought you would back me. But guess not only the WEST can conjecture and of course YOU! MM!

 

[jetjok1]

Really???
What do you call all the "5 in 5" trash talk and the continual assault on the professionalism and commitment of this pilot group. You people make light of the blood spilt on the ground and the effort it took to not only keep this airline alive, but accept, embrace and become industry leaders in CRM, Error Management, and AQP. One issue (the NIC) made it personal and it should not be so. You back comments from posters like Move2CLT that do nothing but further divide the entire pilot group. Don't point the finger at USAPA without taking a good look at those of you on the West that dance with glee and make fun of the darkest days in an East pilots career.

THAT'S what you did. GOT IT???

Driver <_<

Well said driver!!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

LUV'n , The courts, funny YOU EMBRACED IT, but now it isn't an option, you are so full of sh#& , "WE WANT TO COMPROMISE OPTION" has kicked in, so predictable! MM

 

[Move2CLT]

Indeed, considering it added over 50% to your flying, and prevented some 33% furloughs. All the while adding to the furloughs on the east. There will be a reckoning. and the west will lose. Yet, again.

Reckoning? You guys are on a roll with your pension loss, LOA93, no DOH and giving up 24% so i can understand your frustration. Just what kind of reckoning are you going to give us? More threats? Another lawsuit?

 

[Move2CLT]

Um, it was ALPA that drove that particular process, something you westies bought off on, right? Be prepared to "eat it".

😱 That's pretty scary.

Wait a minute, no it isn't.

 

[Move2CLT]

Really???
What do you call all the "5 in 5" trash talk and the continual assault on the professionalism and commitment of this pilot group. You people make light of the blood spilt on the ground and the effort it took to not only keep this airline alive, but accept, embrace and become industry leaders in CRM, Error Management, and AQP. One issue (the NIC) made it personal and it should not be so. You back comments from posters like Move2CLT that do nothing but further divide the entire pilot group. Don't point the finger at USAPA without taking a good look at those of you on the West that dance with glee and make fun of the darkest days in an East pilots career.

THAT'S what you did. GOT IT???

Driver <_<

You guys became experts in CRM, error management, and AQP because YOU KEPT CRASHING AIRPLANES AND KILLING PASSENGERS! No other airline had some many accidents and incidents to learn from.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Um, it was ALPA that drove that particular process, something you westies bought off on, right? Be prepared to "eat it".

Actually, only part right. The B6 pilots were ALPA - representing the much smaller group. The WN pilots certainly had the numbers to drive the process, from getting a single carrier status through the NMB, to being ruled the single CBA, to trying to inflict whatever SLI they wanted short of a staple job on the B6 pilots. But knowing that a federal law has bearing on the process and that a negotiated settle was better for everyone involved, they chose not to flex their numerical majority muscles after seeing the mess that produced at US.

Jim

 

[BoeingBoy]

Well good, your the one that demands proof!

Just look at your post - quoted someone then addressed the response to me...

I would have thought you would back me.

What? Back you for taking me to task for what someone else posted? Call CIRP now...before it's too late...

Jim

 

[jetjok1]

Jetjok1, re read the Butkovic testimony/explanation. Seems to be the book rates are the LOA 84 rates that are the underlying "asset" we have in our argument. That would be roughly 185 /hr for narrowbody captain, and roughly 125 hr F/O. There are really no other rates that mean anything in this argument as it was presented. The only published rates Kasher can really reference are those 84 rates. This is going to be very interesting!

Tell you what BS.....Let's win the arbitration first.......then we can talk about rates!!!

 

[SparrowHawk]

Actually, only part right. The B6 pilots were ALPA - representing the much smaller group. The WN pilots certainly had the numbers to drive the process, from getting a single carrier status through the NMB, to being ruled the single CBA, to trying to inflict whatever SLI they wanted short of a staple job on the B6 pilots. But knowing that a federal law has bearing on the process and that a negotiated settle was better for everyone involved, they chose not to flex their numerical majority muscles after seeing the mess that produced at US.

Jim

Put another way, even the dumbest pilot at WN is smarter than the most intelligent pilot at US?

 

[BoeingBoy]

Well, I'm not sure I'd go quite that far - some of the WN pilots posting in their forum sounded like they were for stapling the FL pilots. But overall, a good synopsis.

Jim

 

[SparrowHawk]

Well, I'm not sure I'd go quite that far - some of the WN pilots posting in their forum sounded like they were for stapling the FL pilots. But overall, a good synopsis.

Jim

I was breaking ballz, I know that.