US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Pi brat]

No questions.

I don't have to do that if I do not want to. This is a public forum if you haven't forgotten.

You put it out there the public gets to comment. You're milk toast meandering is painful to read.

Pick a side or get out of the way. You serve no purpose.

And what is yours? I don't remember seeing you here in a while. Lay out the winning hand for me. If you have followed I've said what I thought.

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

And what is yours? I don't remember seeing you here in a while. Lay out the winning hand for me. If you have followed I've said what I thought.

I don't remember you being here before PB/SH yet you are so much much more wise in all the posting that you've done in the last 48 hrs.

 

[Pi brat]

I don't remember you being here before PB/SH yet you are so much much more wise in all the meaningless posting that you've done in the last 48 hrs.

I've been posting for years and lurking for years before that big guy. Perhaps before you run your mouth you should keep track. What is it you want to know? What posts of mine have offended you? What are YOUR bright ideas?

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

I've been posting for years and lurking for years before that big guy. Perhaps before you run your mouth you should keep track. What is it you want to know. What are YOUR bright ideas?

I can only be dazzled by your revisionist attempts at savaging your position. The pomposity never ceases to amaze.

 

[Pi brat]

I can only be dazzled by your revisionist attempts at savaging your position. The pomposity never ceases to amaze.

You said I didn't have a position, so how can I revise it? Come on, be specific! You wanted to talk, do it. You have the floor, don't waste the bandwidth with worthless posts like above.

Jim ask you to carry his water for him?

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

You said I didn't have a position, so how can I revise it? Come on, be specific! You wanted to talk, do it. You have the floor, don't waste the bandwidth with worthless posts like above.

After reading your half heated attempts at finding a way out of your situation you just seem pathetic.

Are you just keeping the party line?l

 

[Pi brat]

After reading your half heated attempts at finding a way out of your situation you just seem pathetic.

Are you just keeping the party line?l

Half heated? I guess you mean halfhearted, but even then I can't follow you. What situation am I in? What situation are you in? Are you east or west. Come on, I said I'd answer anything, so speak up.

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

You said I didn't have a position, so how can I revise it?

Your position is obvious.

You are trying to find your way out of this mess.

You seem like a smart guy.

You have to live with what is most important to you.

Which solution is more profitable to you?

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

Jim ask you to carry his water for him?

Just because he's right doesn't mean he's a bad guy.

He has more integrity than 99% of the posters on this board and backs it up with his research.

He does more research than you or I care to to do.

Just because you or I do not like the answers does not mean he is wrong.

If anyone can back up his statements then it is him - can you say the same?

You have some serious personal hate.

 

[Pi brat]

Your position is obvious.

You are trying to find your way out of this mess.

You seem like a smart guy.

You have to live with what is most important to you.

Which solution is more profitable to you?

Really? After all that, this is all you can come up with?

Okay, I did ask for it.

I don't think I have a solution to choose from, now. When this all started I was pissed at Nicolau, and ALPA for letting it happen. When the idea of starting a new union came up I tried to educate myself and decide which option was best for me and my family, ALPA or USAPA. I liked the idea of an independent union, but I came to decide that what USAPA was trying to do would not work, and that some of the people that were gravitating towards it scared me. I voted for ALPA, hoping a solution would be found. It wasn't and USAPA was elected. I decided that I wouldn't be like a lot of my friends and take my toys and go home, so I decided to join USAPA and try to help make it the best I could.

Even though I have always been a MIGS, I've had major disagreements with policies and leaders of the union, with the biggest being the C18. I know several west pilots and have tried to listen to their POV and I agree with them on somethings, but I feel very confident that if they are waiting for the east to just give in, they are mistaken. Both sides are entrenched, we've handed the company a dream come true for cost savings, and we will just have to wait out the legal battles and see who wins. In the mean time I'd like to see us stop fighting each other on everything else, but over the last few months, mainly because of this board, I doubt that will happen.

I figured some guys latched on to the safety campaign to put pressure on the company, but had no idea how many as I am a captain and I have not taken part in it and made sure my F/Os understood that before it was an issue. Despite that, I was falsely accused by agents, one passenger and the company in it's publications of slowing down and it very much aggravated me. I saw a lousy operation in CLT this summer being all blamed on the pilots when I knew at least some of the blame should have been placed somewhere else. The company got it's injunction, it is a big deal, I will honor it and suggest all our pilots do, but I think the wording the company asked for and received was incredibly stupid and will come back to haunt them if, God forbid, we have an accident anytime soon.

So, after all that, the best solution for me is one that I feel will never happen, for many reasons. That is for us to find a solution to the SLI on our own and MOVE ON.

Does that cover it?

 

[Pi brat]

Just because he's right doesn't mean he's a bad guy.

He has more integrity than 99% of the posters on this board and backs it up with his research.

He does more research than you or I care to to do.

Just because you or I do not like the answers does not mean he is wrong.

If anyone can back up his statements then it is him - can you say the same?

You have some serious personal hate.

On a lot of things he is not right. On some he is and when he is I have said so. He is very talented with data.

I told you the personal reason I have for not liking him. Let me suggest you go do some research. Go back several months on here and see if you can find the post on child molesting. Are you a father? I am, 3 girls and a boy and any inference to being a child molester is about the worst thing anyone can say to me. He tried to explain it away as "Nos' game", but this is a public forum and anyone can drop in and catch just a few posts, only picking up a little of what is said. Much like you did tonight. I gave him every opportunity to make it right-he wouldn't, so DO NOT preach to me.

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

Does that cover it?

It's really unclear what you are trying to communicate.

Are you apologizing to the the West for alienating them or are you realizing that the S*** has hit the fan and you don't know what to do (when it might cost some money)?

Do things get better or do they turn for the worse?

It's all about the money.

Is it worth your while to change things because it's profitable for you or are you finding some "integrity" that happens to be less expensive than the alternative?

 

[Pi brat]

It's really unclear what you are trying to communicate.

Are you apologizing to the the West for alienating them or are you realizing that the S*** has hit the fan and you don't know what to do (when it might cost some money)?

Do things get better or do they turn for the worse?

It's all about the money.

Is it worth your while to change things because it's profitable for you or are you finding some "integrity" that happens to be less expensive than the alternative?

Unreal.

I am not apologizing to the west because I didn't do anything to the west. In voting for ALPA I realized that some form of the Nic would probably come with it. In addition to that I went to great lengths to fight USAPA on the C18, so I have had west guys thank me.

This road is set and it was set by a lot of people, some west included. We have a long time of it costing us all before it is over, if it ever is.

There are some of us, east and west, that are not only Nic or DOH.


You really need to get a clue.

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

I told you the personal reason I have for not liking him.

You're facade of being the "reasonable" one is worn out.

The constant spin displays your lack of any ability to improve your situation.

Talk,talk,talk and no change. You are ineffectual.

Maybe you don't want change. Do you want change?

 

[Pi brat]

You're facade of being the "reasonable" one is worn out.

The constant spin displays your lack of any ability to improve your situation.

Talk,talk,talk and no change. You are ineffectual.

Maybe you don't want change. Do you want change?

I really want to hear your ideas for change.

Lay them all out and I will reply tomorrow, off to bed.