US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Black Swan]

Tell ya what BS - why don't you post the east's "proposal" at Wye. (hint: it started with DOH)

Interesting what even your hero stated toward the end:

I view the extreme positions on both sides to be self-destructive. It is apparent that by its actions to this point (leaving aside the DFR issue), that USAPA has only further harmed the effort to resolve these issues and allow the US Airways pilots to move on as a united group.

So what say you BS - is Wilder right or is USAPA "the best money" you've ever spent. Your hero seems to disagree with that.

Jim

What my HERO has said, is the Nicolau was an unfair award.And, it did start with DOH, but it moved off it. Then the West walked. So much for further compromise. The West walked, with the clear warning ALPA was in clear danger of removal. And with its' removal so would be the West MEC removal. And, the West was clearly warned, of the danger of no compromise. They walked. So-despite all of this, there is a compromise available, somewhere in between. I would imagine both East and West might be capable of compromise. I don't buy for one minute the argument the West has no voice at all. They have demonstrated their ability to communicate and organize many times. Leonidas, is the voice. They better get that voice back, and both sides need to get real, or this goes on forever.
More from my HERO



Bill_Wilder says:
August 18, 2009 at 12:59 pm
We can debate all the legalities you like. The reality is there is an intractable dispute. The West extremists waive their arbitration award and shout “give me your job.” The East extremists scream “date of hire” and there is no resolution.

It’s stupid to go on and on about the “finalities of award” when the reality is you have to get an agreement to resolve the dispute. The judge’s order solves nothing because Judge Wake can’t order to East pilots to vote for a combined CBA. If they vote no to avoid implementation of the Nicolau Award then the dispute won’t be resolved.

So that’s the decision both the East and West have to make. Stand in your separate corners and yell your useless slogans, “date of hire” “Nicolau Award”–or solve the dispute. Without that, the dispute looks like it will go on and on.





Bill_Wilder says:
August 19, 2009 at 12:24 pm
It may well be true that now that USAPA is the representative “there is no one to negotiate with” for the West pilots. The East MEC raised that very danger to the West MEC during its efforts to settle the dispute (including the Wye River) effort as the reason why the two MEC’s needed to resolve the dispute. Again, though, the West MEC refused to heed that warning and engage settlement negotiations.

 

[fatherabraham]

Tell ya what BS - why don't you post the east's "proposal" at Wye. (hint: it started with DOH)

BB,

As i recall BS was not there. It went like this:

west insisted that we use the " joined " date of Usaviation.

1) all original East to be positioned senior to me
2) all original West to be positioned senior to move2clt

FA

 

[Move2CLT]

It fell apart because Claxon had 10 different usernames and wanted to use all his join dates.

 

[Move2CLT]

Nothing to fire away at, seems like a pretty good summary to me. I think #7 will be the understatement of the year, no matter which way it goes! Of course if the east loses the westies will probably crash the server.

Count on it hair Pi.

 

[Move2CLT]

My opinions of last couple days post.
1) A few east posters appear despondent over Clt judge ruling.
2) Seems all west posters are in the " I told you so " or " winning euphoria " mindset.

I'm of a " who gives a F " attitude. Here is why:
1) Nothing has changed!
2) Mgt asked for a fight and some took up the offer, others as usual let others do the ugly work.
3) Mgt knew the cost < engagement .
4) Ditto on some folk.
5) Just another box filled on this extremely long road to resolution.
6) Foolish for any party in this engagement to giggle like a school girl < final resolution.
7) Loa 93 results will quickly dwarf these ramblings.

Fire away 🙂


FA

You didn't find these seven items on two stone tablets, did you?

 

[Move2CLT]

Stop the full court scab press on the West, pull your head out of your ass, abide by your agreements, stop the insane lawsuits, accept effing reality, and get a decent contract!

Are those concepts for change REALLY that hard to grasp?

These east guys consider having their heads in their ass as normal. It's the way they've run things for a long time. And being old doesn't help them as they tend to resist change.

 

[IADair]

Oh OH OH, face disgrace USAPA. Some of you have said it is your intent to close the airline down. the judge is on to you, finally, only took four years

Oh was it that union guy that was kissing rump all over? saying I did not say it, not me, please fellow usapa dont stall anymore,dont delay flights they are going to throw me in jail. some union guy you have, what a worm, constantly throwing people under the bus, he is such a agreat leader.

here come the judge, here come the judge. hey usapa crybabies, da judge said it, finally the usapa lies are coming to ahead.

Still the proud east will say, nonsense we the old east us air was a great run airline, we had the best route structure in the world, we were never in bankrupcty, no white knight saved us, nonsense, pure nonsense. And And And if a white knight ever did save us we would kick him in the balls, how dare you save big blue, we are so big we are so blue, how dare you help us, sais captain, right captain, yes captain, we are the captain, captain, captain

I keep contacting the real pickleballers, basically i am trying to get them to sue you for trademark infringment, wont that be a hoot, you clowns are going get sued by a bunch of pickleballers, hahhaa ho ho ho

Now i went to usapa website, still does not show how you lost your motion on may 31, yet big blue proudly still has that the motion was filed on the website, oh funny, you guys are such a joke, not even close to any legitimacy.

Now I went to the usapa website, no mention of the face disgrace by the judge with the injunction to stop the illegal job action.

After all said and done, usapa might just be listed in the dictionary as: usapa - no credibility.

 

[IADair]

usapa is guilty, guilty, guilty. If you are part of usapa and you do not speak out and stop the illegal job action, then you are no better than the people in europe that let the holocaust happen. the judge demands you stop the illegal job action, you must speak out against your union leaders, if you truly are against some usapa members trying to shut down the airline, you must speak out, otherwise you are a coward, tell that to your children.

 

[Move2CLT]

Truer words were never spoken.

 

[Claxon]

usapa is guilty, guilty, guilty. If you are part of usapa and you do not speak out and stop the illegal job action, then you are no better than the people in europe that let the holocaust happen. the judge demands you stop the illegal job action, you must speak out against your union leaders, if you truly are against some usapa members trying to shut down the airline, you must speak out, otherwise you are a coward, tell that to your children.

Another disgusting, and illiterate disciple of Franke Air. Franke always depended on the outsider, the marginally intelligent, the socially inept. This disciple, would be hired immediately by Bill Franke. Look at the long, long line of castoffs he has employed to do his bidding. And they do it well. Although the IADair disciple, is missing a few cards in the deck. Still, a spot for him in Franke Air awaits! Move2Clt is most likely one of the more interesting to Franke. A sick gleam and twinkle of the eye he would get from Franke. Move2 is used wisely by Franke Air, but too much to be believable than other than a diminished, angry and most likely furloughed disciple. That is good, make use of your furlough time. You have much of it ahead of you Move2CLT.Years from the look of it. The western are a stubborn lot, and easily manipulated by Lenidas. You, will have a long winter ahead of you on your computer as you try and sway the smarter eastern. They are amused, but will be enriched by their pay victory over Franke Air shortly. They will turn Franke Air and hang it by its' feet to shake out the monies they are soon to be awarded. Then the war will start again, just as Bill Franke likes, only the sides will be reversed.

 

[IADair]

Another disgusting, and illiterate disciple of Franke Air. Franke always depended on the outsider, the marginally intelligent, the socially inept. This disciple, would be hired immediately by Bill Franke. Look at the long, long line of castoffs he has employed to do his bidding. And they do it well. Although the IADair disciple, is missing a few cards in the deck. Still, a spot for him in Franke Air awaits! Move2Clt is most likely one of the more interesting to Franke. A sick gleam and twinkle of the eye he would get from Franke. Move2 is used wisely by Franke Air, but too much to be believable than other than a diminished, angry and most likely furloughed disciple. That is good, make use of your furlough time. You have much of it ahead of you Move2CLT.Years from the look of it. The western are a stubborn lot, and easily manipulated by Lenidas. You, will have a long winter ahead of you on your computer as you try and sway the smarter eastern. They are amused, but will be enriched by their pay victory over Franke Air shortly. They will turn Franke Air and hang it by its' feet to shake out the monies they are soon to be awarded. Then the war will start again, just as Bill Franke likes, only the sides will be reversed.

Well as usual the double usapa talkkkkkkkk. Dont have a clue about your franke, or you leondia, or your blah blah blah. You still fail to get it in your skull that the judge said it was ilegall, ilegall, ilegall, illegal job actiion, he da judge said stop it, illegal usapa.

I am not surprised your brain cannot comprehend what the judge told you, stop it, stop it, stop it!!!!!!

No not big blue, we wont stop nutin, we wont stop illegal job actions!!!! WE hate the people that saved our airline, even though no white knight ever saved big blue, we never went to bankrupcty, we are the best, Captain, Captain, Captina

Buffoons, what buffoons

 

[Move2CLT]

Another disgusting, and illiterate disciple of Franke Air. Franke always depended on the outsider, the marginally intelligent, the socially inept. This disciple, would be hired immediately by Bill Franke. Look at the long, long line of castoffs he has employed to do his bidding. And they do it well. Although the IADair disciple, is missing a few cards in the deck. Still, a spot for him in Franke Air awaits! Move2Clt is most likely one of the more interesting to Franke. A sick gleam and twinkle of the eye he would get from Franke. Move2 is used wisely by Franke Air, but too much to be believable than other than a diminished, angry and most likely furloughed disciple. That is good, make use of your furlough time. You have much of it ahead of you Move2CLT.Years from the look of it. The western are a stubborn lot, and easily manipulated by Lenidas. You, will have a long winter ahead of you on your computer as you try and sway the smarter eastern. They are amused, but will be enriched by their pay victory over Franke Air shortly. They will turn Franke Air and hang it by its' feet to shake out the monies they are soon to be awarded. Then the war will start again, just as Bill Franke likes, only the sides will be reversed.

Thank you Claxon. I really mean it. Thank you.

I know in that mind of yours with all those voices screaming in your head you won't understand why I'm thankng you, but thank you.

 

[Claxon]

Well as usual the double usapa talkkkkkkkk. Dont have a clue about your franke, or you leondia, or your blah blah blah. You still fail to get it in your skull that the judge said it was ilegall, ilegall, ilegall, illegal job actiion, he da judge said stop it, illegal usapa.

I am not surprised your brain cannot comprehend what the judge told you, stop it, stop it, stop it!!!!!!

No not big blue, we wont stop nutin, we wont stop illegal job actions!!!! WE hate the people that saved our airline, even though no white knight ever saved big blue, we never went to bankrupcty, we are the best, Captain, Captain, Captina

Buffoons, what buffoons

Illiterate disciple, do not become too alarmed, the spelling of the other term to describe something as being unlawful, is spelled, ILLEGAL. Franke, has done his hiring well, he always had a sadistic but true saying that rang true concerning his disciples when they attempted to organize against his machine. "Beware of stupid persons in large groups..." How true.

 

[Claxon]

Thank you Claxon. I really mean it. Thank you.

I know in that mind of yours with all those voices screaming in your head you won't understand why I'm thankng you, but thank you.

You are welcome,Captain, Captain, Captina, call IADair, have a talkkkkkkkkkk. Maybe you can mind meld with his balls......

 

[fodase]

7) Loa 93 results will quickly dwarf these ramblings.

Fire away 🙂


FA

Hey FA, what do you see happening when the loa 93 decision comes out? After all your union is under a federal injunction.