US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Phoenix]

No, the east pilots have failed to honor the results of binding arbitration.

USAPA has failed to represent all pilots according to their legal duty

The 9th failed to understand the existence of a Transition Agreement and it's effect on ripeness.

USAPA has failed to gain any negotiating leverage at the bargaining table; in fact, USAPA loses negotiating leverage on a regular basis - a federal injunction comes to mind.

USAPA has failed to put any additional money into the pilot's paychecks three years into their installment as the CBA.

The RLA failed to provide remedies for a rogue union that refuses to accept its legal responsibility to negotiate in good faith for a better contract for its constituents.

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[Move2CLT]

Is that an east guy trying to convince Nicolau he was wrong?

 

[Move2CLT]

Yep...

All the issues we could be discussing, and all I read is NIC NIC NIC NIC NIC NIC NIC NIC NIC NIC, occasionally followed by NIC NIC NIC NIC NIC.

Talk to yourself since you seem to know everything. Rack up a few more of those +s from your buddies.

Driver B)

See, you've figured it out as well. Nic comes first then everything else can follow.

+1 btw

 

[luvthe9]

Nic comes first then everything else can follow.

Now that's funny, perpetual denile and still living in the past.

 

[Move2CLT]

Now that's funny, perpetual denile and still living in the past.

Wow, an east guy chiding someone for living in the past. Talk about your hypocriscy.

 

[luvthe9]

Wow, an east guy chiding someone for living in the past. Talk about your hypocriscy.

Don't worry Move it will all be OK, have you told the poor AOL boys yet?

 

[Move2CLT]

Don't worry Move it will all be OK, have you told the poor AOL boys yet?

About what luv?

 

[N924PS]

Now that's funny, perpetual denile and still living in the past.

De Nile is a river in Egypt.

 

[mikey60]

Mikey, I have made grammatical errors many times. But when you continue to do so after I not only correct you but take the time to explain your error to you, I have no choice but to keep bringing it to your attention.

As for the rest of your post I have skipped it. I will not engage you until you explain to me the difference between lier and liar. And after that I want you to apologize to me for wasting my time having to teach you.
Excuse me for misspelling liar. It is a word that I do not have to use in my circle of friends and associates. Most of the people on this forum are here for the content not the spelling as for you I dont know why you waste our time. Once again give us the names. Nobody know who they are OR don't post on this fourm again. You can leave now.

 

[Move2CLT]

Mikey, I refuse to teach you how to format a response. You're a mess. Ive skipped your last post completely as I did not know when you reply began.

Pathetic.

 

[mikey60]

Mikey, I refuse to teach you how to format a response. You're a mess. Ive skipped your last post completely as I did not know when you reply began.

Pathetic.

Remember your not allowed on this forum....bye-bye.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Could someone explain to me the series of events that would have to take place in order for the East to "Win"?

To me it looks like the legal pinball machine is flashing <GAME OVER>! However I get lost in a lot of the nuances of the various court battles.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Could someone explain to me the series of events that would have to take place in order for the East to "Win"?

As long as you put "Win" in quotes, it appears to depend on the perspective of the poster. For some, remaining separate until they retire, even if it means remaining on LOA 93 pay, is viewed as a "Win". I suspect that the undercurrent running beneath the surface is a belief that the East will get the preponderance of the widebody flying, meaning that remaining separate will let them capture not just the east attrition (which is usually overstated) but a large majority of widebody-based upward movement. Any future real growth would just be the icing on the cake

At the other end are those who would like to have a better contract once the courts settle the seniority issue. They'll live with the courts' decision whatever it is.

In between are people who cover pretty much the range in between the two extremes.

Jim

 

[SparrowHawk]

As long as you put "Win" in quotes, it appears to depend on the perspective of the poster. For some, remaining separate until they retire, even if it means remaining on LOA 93 pay, is viewed as a "Win". I suspect that the undercurrent running beneath the surface is a belief that the East will get the preponderance of the widebody flying, meaning that remaining separate will let them capture not just the east attrition (which is usually overstated) but a large majority of widebody-based upward movement. Any future real growth would just be the icing on the cake

At the other end are those who would like to have a better contract once the courts settle the seniority issue. They'll live with the courts' decision whatever it is.

In between are people who cover pretty much the range in between the two extremes.

Jim

So Millions of Dollars in legal fees to remain on LOA93?

If that's what victory looks like then I'd sure hate to see defeat.

I thought the stated goal was Date of Hire Seniority and an improved contract????

I don't know, I guess I just don't have the same "Filter" work/pay wise as a pilot. This whole thing started 7 years ago and US was knocking on heaven's door. I was 51 at the time. So in my dumb customer brain I'm thinking, "I got 8 years left, maybe 13 so how do I leverage the situation to my advantage." I'm sorry but 6 years at rock bottom wages plus dues toward a legal challenge that ensured I'd not get a penny more in hourly wage and a bit of upward mobility seniority wise is not my idea of an astute business decision.

Between attrition and more wide body flying I should have been able to pick up whatever seniority position I would lose with NIC, Plus I'd get a contract with a few percent wage bump per year for the remainder of my career, allowing me to invest a little more in order to ease the haircut I got when I surrendered my pension in order to keep the job I have or am I missing something?

 

[mrbreeze]

So Millions of Dollars in legal fees to remain on LOA93?

If that's what victory looks like then I'd sure hate to see defeat.

I thought the stated goal was Date of Hire Seniority and an improved contract????

I don't know, I guess I just don't have the same "Filter" work/pay wise as a pilot. This whole thing started 7 years ago and US was knocking on heaven's door. I was 51 at the time. So in my dumb customer brain I'm thinking, "I got 8 years left, maybe 13 so how do I leverage the situation to my advantage." I'm sorry but 6 years at rock bottom wages plus dues toward a legal challenge that ensured I'd not get a penny more in hourly wage and a bit of upward mobility seniority wise is not my idea of an astute business decision.

Between attrition and more wide body flying I should have been able to pick up whatever seniority position I would lose with NIC, Plus I'd get a contract with a few percent wage bump per year for the remainder of my career, allowing me to invest a little more in order to ease the haircut I got when I surrendered my pension in order to keep the job I have or am I missing something?

a lot is riding on the Kasher LOA93 arbitration results.....people are awaiting the outcome to see what plan they need to make as far as retirement, separate ops for the next several years, how to deal with SLI if the decision is a loss for the East pilots, etc....

I think that when that result is announced, things will start to move again, good or bad.

breeze