US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Move2CLT]

A true crackhead, hired off the streets.

Wasn't your wife a crackhead or something?

 

[BoeingBoy]

Next week , you get neutered. Totally gone. It was fun for you. Enjoy your final week.

Is that like the injunction that wasn't going to happen? Or will LOA 93 pay be "nothing important" like the injunction... I think the NC Judge spanked you so hard you're dazed...

Jim

 

[Reed Richards]

Superhero, I follow the orders. But if there is a legit item, it goes in the book. The way team tempe does maintenance, they will have to answer. Not you. Have you not seen a total maintenance meltdown with the west in charge? It is pretty lax on their end.

US Airways has a serious problem with its safety culture. The Safety Committee instituted a just and legal campaign to correct that lapse. A bunch of guys hijacked that effort into something else. I refused to wear "the lanyard," as did the Safety Chair.

These are indeed desperate times. But the sending of emails, texts, and wearing silly safety lanyards was piss poor and doomed to fail. Right on schedule it did just that.

Sad thing is the safety culture problem festers, primarily because of those who attempted to use it as a lever, led by the deafening silence of a Union too wrapped up in "winning" to fix the safety problem FIRST. Go figure, “safety first.”

I also know exactly when to write something up. That logic never changes for me, nor do I feel any pressure otherwise. USAPA is "busted" for not putting out the proper message, more so than for what guys are "supposedly" doing. Sounds like really, really bad Union leadership to me.

I used the word "embarrassed" when I first spoke of the injunction. I also despise the way we are being treated by management. No East/West here, just very, very sad and incompetent leadership.

RR

 

[Move2CLT]

You can start by thanking Kubic.

 

[apollo]

So you're saying that USAPA leadership and some of the east pilots are to dumb to learn from other pilot group's mistakes....

Jim

Who is learning from whom. ual pilots had the Sulley signs and the safety concerns.

" Message From the Master Chairman, Captain Wendy Morse September 30, 2011

The filing this week of the preliminary injunction against the company, subsequently changed to a temporary restraining order, was by no means the first step in resolving the serious and unquestionably legitimate safety issues resulting from the deficient integration training. We know you are well aware of these concerns and we have heard you loudly. Following numerous conversations with management from the CEO to the management subject matter experts, and with the FAA from the POI up to and including Federal Aviation Administration Administrator Randy Babbitt, to filing the Section 9-G grievance as reported to you in last Friday’s MEC Update, and meeting by teleconference with the Vice President of Flying and the Director of Training as prescribed under Section 9-G-1-a to resolve training issues not resolved by the training council, and only after these steps, did we file for court ordered relief.

We knew that the question in court for a TRO was of narrow scope, but believe that we owe it to our pilots and the flying public to take each and every step to ensure the safe operation of our airline and the aircraft that we command. We can’t guarantee the outcome of these steps; we can only guarantee that we will keep our end of the bargain to you and put maximum effort to make the case. Our training and safety professionals, after having spent weeks and months on this work, worked through last weekend in New York on the case. The case was not decided on its merits of training and safety standards, but on the legal standard of irreparable harm. The judge decided that forecasting of risk is speculative, and denied the order as the law is specific and narrowly defined.

Many of the arguments made by the outside attorneys hired by the company were fallacious. Our very dedicated safety and training experts, who have poured their heart and soul into their work, had great difficulty watching and hearing as the company’s attorneys made their statements, as they knew they were 180 degrees out of sync with fact. Among the arguments was that our concerns were brought in the last hour. Is there anyone who has not heard our objections? Our concerns were brought at multiple levels over a long period of time and were dismissed.

The argument made that this was FAA-required training and as such had to be done by Friday, September 30, was specious at best. A simple phone call from management to the POI could have solved that issue.

The company argued that the CAL pilots have not raised these safety issues. We have been told by this management that the United pilots are enduring the majority of the changes. That part too was left out by their attorneys for the court.

As United pilots we have been taught that if someone is uncomfortable, to pause, assess and resolve. The words “uncomfortable” have significant meaning to us. This new management has shown that it intends to roll over the red flags that have kept our airline safe.

The company's tactic of hiding behind negotiations may be convenient but we all know when the “seek” part of the game catches up, it could spell trouble for us all. We all can only hope that safety prevails in spite of the challenges and obstacles this management has levied. We will continue to bring our issues to light and hope we do not have to say ‘We told you so’ to management."

 

[apollo]

American is begging for the PHX slots, yea, that is it.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Who is learning from whom. ual pilots had the Sulley signs and the safety concerns.

But they knew enough to not engage in illegal actions, didn't they? USAPA...not so smart. From the way Cleary's video has been portrayed I'm not convinced he's learned anything yet.

Why don't you post the DCA/PHL/PHX reps letter about not following the UOM - looks like USAPA has some infighting going on too...apparently not everyone is as happy with Cleary as you are...

Jim

 

[apollo]

But they knew enough to not engage in illegal actions, didn't they? USAPA...not so smart. From the way Cleary's video has been portrayed I'm not convinced he's learned anything yet.

Why don't you post the DCA/PHL/PHX reps letter about not following the UOM - looks like USAPA has some infighting going on too...apparently not everyone is as happy with Cleary as you are...

Jim

It does not matter what an alpa paid poster thinks. American, ual cal, usairways pilots have an injunction.

 

[BoeingBoy]

And US pilots both didn't learn and now shrug it off as "nothing" or even are foolish enough to see it as a badge of honor (that's you). Keep up the good work and USAPA won't last long enough for your hero Cleary to run for office again.

Take the blinders off and you might notice that most of the east posters who claimed that there wasn't an illegal slowdown going on aren't taking the official line any more. They realize the dangerous path the union is on...

Jim

ps - if you're going to try to sound like you have a clue what you're talking about, you should keep the players who have an injunction hanging over their head straight...

 

[apollo]

And US pilots both didn't learn and now shrug it off as "nothing" or even are foolish enough to see it as a badge of honor (that's you). Keep up the good work and USAPA won't last long enough for your hero Cleary to run for office again.

Take the blinders off and you might notice that most of the east posters who claimed that there wasn't an illegal slowdown going on aren't taking the official line any more. They realize the dangerous path the union is on...

Jim

Talk to men about this. Ask the american pilots, the ual embarrassing injunction since November 2008 alpa daily posts on their web site.

Your are paid by alpa to post here, check your own history. You are totally biased towards alpa, a corrupt pilots union.

You got yours just like the Empire merger. Oh by the way how did you fare during the merger with Empire airlines?

Rhetorical question.

OH, how about my question of you claiming not getting even a t shirt for your alpa work at Piedmont. Reading your posts, I think you are full of shirt, imho.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Talk to men about this.

Since that leaves you out, I'll look for some men to discuss it with...

Jim

 

[apollo]

Talk to men about this. Ask the american pilots, the ual embarrassing injunction since November 2008 alpa daily posts on their web site.

Your are paid by alpa to post here, check your own history. You are totally biased towards alpa, a corrupt pilots union.

You got yours just like the Empire merger. Oh by the way how did you fare during the merger with Empire airlines?

Rhetorical question.

OH, how about my question of you claiming not getting even a t shirt for your alpa work at Piedmont. Reading your posts, I think you are full of shirt, imho.

How did you make out on the Empire list?

How much flight pay loss did you make for alpa when you worked for Piedmont Airlines?

Please do not tell us about the alpa shirt you are claiming you are not full of.

 

[BoeingBoy]

blah, blah, blah...all bark, no bite... 😛

Jim

 

[apollo]

blah, blah, blah...all bark, no bite... 😛

Jim

Your forensic talents are noted.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Your forensic talents are noted.

Hey at least he has some talent