US Pilots Labor Discussion

[CallawayGolf]

I see the problem now. You are just so far over my head, that I just can't comprehend the issues like you can. Where I come from, when there is a dispute, the best course of action is to sit down and attempt to find the middle ground. I know, I know, we can't have any of that, can we?

So, if I understand you, the BEST course of action is to withdraw from all litigation, and BOHICA. Lets have the NIC AND LOA93 since it's obvious to me the company is in no hurry for a contract. Make us pay. I get that!

Thanks for the advise!

Driver B)

Its not too far over your head unless you choose to make it that way. Do you really not see that it only takes one pilot to file a DFR claim? Do you not see Management's position that the Company can be held accountable for collusion with USAPA if a non-NIC list is accepted? Do you not see that the west pilots interests can no longer be legally represented as a group separate from the east-controlled USAPA? Add all this up and there is simply only two possible paths that can be taken; the first path is through the courts as a means of answering the NIC or non-NIC question, or USAPA can accept the NIC and move on. There is no viable third option.

The RLA does not permit the west and east pilots to work towards a newly-crafted compromise at this point because they certified USAPA as the new bargaining agent and then required USAPA to abide by the statutory DFR provisions. If a single pilot, east or west, brings a DFR claim against USAPA for not using the NIC, then the entire compromise deal between 99.99% of all US pilots will not mean anything and a ratification vote could very well be halted by an injunction. You may not accept this as fact, but Management does and they will not expose the shareholders to a collusion lawsuit by knowingly violating the terms of the TA. Thus, my position is the same - this dispute is past the negotiation phase. Its the NIC in section 22 or a final and definitive solution crafted by the court. Nothing else will resolve the matter.

 

[Boeing Driver]

Naaaa.

We got it the first time...

And the second, third, fourth, fifth.....

Boeing Driver

 

[aquagreen73s]

Barreling headlong into an "all or nothing" strategy without first knowing what the law says wasn't such a good idea for the East after all. I'm sure listening to Bradford's and $eham's confident pronouncements felt good at the time, but in the end all they did for the East was to secure the Nicolau. The maligned East ALPA guys said as much four years ago. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6TwophNpks&feature=related

In other words...Stephan is saying that with two MECs, negotiation and mitigation of the Nicolau was inevitable. He's probably right, but the vote for USAPA and the elimination of the West MEC coupled with Airways' request and approval from the NMB for single carrier status sealed the deal. The toothpaste is out of the tube. Now it's the Nicolau or LOA93.

 

[Boeing Driver]

It is even plausible that the company invokes force majure and the TA's fleet protections go out the window, as do other TA protections such as fleet exclusivity.

This is just an inane comment. Force majeure for an event that has been coming for FIVE YEARS????

How about typical incompetent management of a dirt bag outfit not staffing the airline correctly?

Once again proving the lowest common denominator hired by AWA.

Unbelievable....

Boeing Driver

 

[Move2CLT]

And the second, third, fourth, fifth.....

Boeing Driver

But still not quite sinking in yet.

 

[Move2CLT]

This is just an inane comment. Force majeure for an event that has been coming for FIVE YEARS????

How about typical incompetent management of a dirt bag outfit not staffing the airline correctly?

Once again proving the lowest common denominator hired by AWA.

Unbelievable....

Boeing Driver

Are you going to vote IBT Boeing Driver?

Natives are getting restless for a new contract so im guessing LOA 93 isn't as great as some of you say It is.

 

[Move2CLT]

This is just an inane comment. Force majeure for an event that has been coming for FIVE YEARS????

How about typical incompetent management of a dirt bag outfit not staffing the airline correctly?

Once again proving the lowest common denominator hired by AWA.

Unbelievable....

Boeing Driver

Lowest common denominator? Dirtbag outfit? Coming from someone whose outfit has killed quite a few passengers and seems to prefer bays and rivers as alternates instead of airports, you don't have much credibility to judge.

And how many accidents have you guys had since we merged? How many aircraft shootings?

And now you guys have an injunction against your union too.

And notice how Wells has STFU since her stunt. Company told her they would fire her if she opened her mouth and USAPA has since told her to lay low.

You guys work that dirtbags outfit and are paid accordingly. And now your experiment of a union has failed and you're looking for the IBT to bail you out.

Unbelievable...

 

[mikey60]

And still the very bottom of the industry for you.

We got great rigs, vacation, pay is OK. For you though it sucks.

Goes to show how ignorant you guys are. You point out a scrape on our knee while blood pours out of your jugular vein. Pathetic.
Status quo for me is fine. For you, not so much.

Great rigs? 1/3 are great rigs, 1 for 1 and 3/4 are great rigs. Your rigs suck and you lie.

 

[mikey60]

Lowest common denominator? Dirtbag outfit? Coming from someone whose outfit has killed quite a few passengers and seems to prefer bays and rivers as alternates instead of airports, you don't have much credibility to judge.

And how many accidents have you guys had since we merged? How many aircraft shootings?

And now you guys have an injunction against your union too.

And notice how Wells has STFU since her stunt. Company told her they would fire her if she opened her mouth and USAPA has since told her to lay low.

You guys work that dirtbags outfit and are paid accordingly. And now your experiment of a union has failed and you're looking for the IBT to bail you out.

Unbelievable...

Only one thing could be worse.......being a former awe pilot.

 

[fodase]

Btw, why are you clowns wanting to scuttle usapa and go with the teamsters?

 

[Move2CLT]

Great rigs? 1/3 are great rigs, 1 for 1 and 3/4 are great rigs. Your rigs suck and you lie.

Still waiting for an apology Mikey. Where is it?

 

[mikey60]

Still waiting for an apology Mikey. Where is it?

Your a lying sack of ####. I told you to stay off this forum..

 

[Move2CLT]

Only one thing could be worse.......being a former awe pilot.

Ooooooohhh, ya. Coming from an easite who doesn't know the difference between liar and lier, I'm going to have to discount that opinion.

 

[Move2CLT]

Your a lying sack of ####. I told you to stay off this forum..

Uh oh, CB just popped. IA? ECAM exception? Run the QRH.

 

[Move2CLT]

Your a lying sack of ####. I told you to stay off this forum..

I said apologize you sack of # # # #!!!

This is fun!!!


Mikey, are you voting for IBT? If so, are you aware of this:

Atlas for Teamsters FAQ:

Q-What impact or change, if any, will a transition to Teamsters representation have on the arbitrated seniority list?

A-All agreements will remain in effect. The arbitrated seniority list is complete and cannot be changed. It is the list we will merge with.