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Black Swan said:
Additionally, USAPA’s final proposal may yet be one
that does not work the disadvantages Plaintiffs fear, even if
that proposal is not the Nicolau Award.3


now means NOTHING according to you. And, the company is bound to use, a list the 9th said did not have to be used? This is where you continually set yourself up for disappointment. Because you just keep going against a legal decision that says Nicolau may NEVER be the methodology used to integrate these groups. You cannot go against the 9th, nor can the company. So who do we go with now? Cactusboy 53 and Doug Parker, or the courts? HMMMMM.
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Swanny,

The 9th did NOT say anything to the company. The company was not part of the lawsuit. However, the company is a party to the TA which contractually mandates ALPA merger policy (i.e. The Nic), and is therefore liable to the West pilot group for breach of contract if it accepts any non-Nic list.

Further, you are misreading the quote, and what it means. When I read it, it is saying, one of the many reasons the case is not ripe is because usapa has not yet ratified a non-Nic list, therefore, we do not know what a non-Nic list is, or even if it would bring suit from the West. Nothing more, nothing less, and certainly not a greenlight for DOH, DOH with C&Rs or any other hairbrained usapa seniority theft scheme.

As a matter of fact, this quote is just one more warning to usapa of, don't piss off the West or they are going to hand you your asses in an "unquestioanbly ripe DFR".
 
prechilill said:
Yes, DOH with fences worked quite well for the piedmont pilots. They still gush about how well things went immediately following the seniority integration with AAA and talk fondly of how it bolstered their careers.
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Well, good for them, cause I got pushed backward through every merger: PSA, Piedmont, and Shuttle. But I still think its a fair way of doing it.
Cheers.
 
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nic4us said:
Swanny,

The 9th did NOT say anything to the company. The company was not part of the lawsuit. However, the company is a party to the TA which contractually mandates ALPA merger policy (i.e. The Nic), and is therefore liable to the West pilot group for breach of contract if it accepts any non-Nic list.

Further, you are misreading the quote, and what it means. When I read it, it is saying, one of the many reasons the case is not ripe is because usapa has not yet ratified a non-Nic list, therefore, we do not know what a non-Nic list is, or even if it would bring suit from the West. Nothing more, nothing less, and certainly not a greenlight for DOH, DOH with C&Rs or any other hairbrained usapa seniority theft scheme.

As a matter of fact, this quote is just one more warning to usapa of, don't piss off the West or they are going to hand you your asses in an "unquestioanbly ripe DFR".
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More 9th. Nobody said anything about ripeness. Just the Nic does not have to be there. They also said you may never be harmed, so the ripeness goes away. You are always pissed off, because you just can't get any traction. The court could care less.


[5] We conclude that this case presents contingencies that
could prevent effectuation of USAPA’s proposal and the
accompanying injury. At this point, neither the West Pilots
nor USAPA can be certain what seniority proposal ultimately
will be acceptable to both USAPA and the airline as part of
a final CBA.




It is, how-
ever, at best, speculative that a single CBA incorporating the
Nicolau Award would be ratified if presented to the union’s
membership. ALPA had been unable to broker a compromise
between the two pilot groups, and the East Pilots had
expressed their intentions not to ratify a CBA containing the
Nicolau Award. Thus, even under the district court’s injunc-
tion mandating USAPA to pursue the Nicolau Award, it is
uncertain that the West Pilots’ preferred seniority system ever
would be effectuated.



Because
merely putting a CBA effectuating the Nicolau Award to a
ratification vote will not itself alleviate the West Pilots fur-
loughs, Plaintiffs have not identified a sufficiently concrete
injury.2 Additionally, USAPA’s final proposal may yet be one
that does not work the disadvantages Plaintiffs fear, even if
that proposal is not the Nicolau Award.3

Need more? I will be happy, just let me know 😀
 
Black Swan said:
More 9th. Nobody said anything about ripeness. Just the Nic does not have to be there. They also said you may never be harmed, so the ripeness goes away. You are always pissed off, because you just can't get any traction. The court could care less.


[5] We conclude that this case presents contingencies that
could prevent effectuation of USAPA’s proposal and the
accompanying injury. At this point, neither the West Pilots
nor USAPA can be certain what seniority proposal ultimately
will be acceptable to both USAPA and the airline as part of
a final CBA.




It is, how-
ever, at best, speculative that a single CBA incorporating the
Nicolau Award would be ratified if presented to the union’s
membership. ALPA had been unable to broker a compromise
between the two pilot groups, and the East Pilots had
expressed their intentions not to ratify a CBA containing the
Nicolau Award. Thus, even under the district court’s injunc-
tion mandating USAPA to pursue the Nicolau Award, it is
uncertain that the West Pilots’ preferred seniority system ever
would be effectuated.



Because
merely putting a CBA effectuating the Nicolau Award to a
ratification vote will not itself alleviate the West Pilots fur-
loughs, Plaintiffs have not identified a sufficiently concrete
injury.2 Additionally, USAPA’s final proposal may yet be one
that does not work the disadvantages Plaintiffs fear, even if
that proposal is not the Nicolau Award.3

Need more? I will be happy, just let me know 😀
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No...that was suffiecient to prove my point. You just said "nobody said anything about ripeness, only the Nic does not have to be there".

We all know that in reality world, the ONLY OPINION THE 9th RENDERED WAS,,,,,wait for it...NOT RIPE. Yet your are claiming otherwise.

Get a grip Swan, the 9th warned you about an "unquestionably ripe DFR", and you ignore the warning. Well the company has not, and they are not colluding with the usapa seniority theft DFR plan. So, get over it DOH, was DOA the day AWA aquired your airline.
 
With these cuts by Southwest - US Airways' No. 1 competitor - combined with an 11 percent downsizing by United on routes also flown by US Airways, the "competitive backdrop" will measurably improve for US Airways, Philadelphia's dominant airline, analyst Daniel McKenzie, of Rodman & Renshaw, the investment bank and strategic adviser, wrote in a recent client note..... (http://www.philly.com/philly/insights/in_money/20111014_Carriers___squeeze__strategy.html)

Oh look! A window of opportunity to get an improved contract with much better wages! Wait! The attempted goal of DOH is MUCH more important that MONEY (NOT)! :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
mrbreeze said:
And what did a desk jocky like you give up for this merger, Move?

Simple question....can you answer it? No

If my airline is gone....why did it take Team Tempe almost 10 yrs to extract that amount of money from me? Why are the profits being extracted from the East operation?

My airline never left.....just different management after the merger.

You will never get it if you don't open your eyes.

Tell me...Move2 CLT....what did you donate to this merger? I want an answer.

breeze
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No one donated anything to this merger boo. You're an employee along for the ride just like I am. The apparent investment you think you made to this company exists only in your mind.
 
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