US Pilots Labor Discussion

[cleardirect]

Do you even read what you write ?...Dude !...It's DOH for you in PHX and far into the future, get used to it. Dont like it ? Quit and move on. Binding ? You were hired at best in the late 80's and and want to leapfrog over pilots hired years and no furlough ? Really ?

No east pilots on furlough want to leapfrog over west captains.

It's loa 93 wages for you far into the future until you accept the Nicolau.

 

[Phoenix]

No east pilots on furlough want to leapfrog over west captains.

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It is kinda humorous that you object to furloughees leapfrogging active employees (there are not any furloughed East pilots and haven't been for several years now)... and the West pilots that are furloughed are only still furloughed by their own choice.

Why should furloughed West employees leapfrog over active East new-hires that have been active for a few months now???

 

[flypg]

No east pilots on furlough want to leapfrog over west captains.

It's loa 93 wages for you far into the future until you accept the Nicolau.

No furlough over any captain, period.

At least wait till Kasher denies LOA 93.

Nicolau has not happen yet, probably never will.

Be careful as to where your buddies lead you there, next M/A you guys maybe holding the proverbial bag.

 

[Res Judicata]

No furlough over any captain, period.

At least wait till Kasher denies LOA 93.

Nicolau has not happen yet, probably never will.

Be careful as to where your buddies lead you there, next M/A you guys maybe holding the proverbial bag.

One Airline. One pilot union with a Duty to Fairly Represent. Unbelievable how some of you can't understand even the most basic realities after all these years.

 

[cleardirect]

It is kinda humorous that you object to furloughees leapfrogging active employees (there are not any furloughed East pilots and haven't been for several years now)... and the West pilots that are furloughed are only still furloughed by their own choice.

Why should furloughed West employees leapfrog over active East new-hires that have been active for a few months now???

P-I-D. The date of the merger is the important part here. Not what has happened AFTER the merger. Why is it so hard for you east guys to understand that. PRE merger. POST merger.

1700 east furloughed pilots. They all want to leapfrog over active west pilots.

 

[cleardirect]

No furlough over any captain, period.

At least wait till Kasher denies LOA 93.

Nicolau has not happen yet, probably never will.

Be careful as to where your buddies lead you there, next M/A you guys maybe holding the proverbial bag.

No furlough over any captain, period.

Have you looked at the usapa DOH list? Because that list places 633 east furloughed pilots above our junior captain. The furloughed pilot with a DOH of 2/90 would be placed at the mid point on our captains list. Dean Colello the senior furloughed guy would be senior to 750 west captains. So explain how no furloughed pilots over any captain works with a DOH list?

Figure out what you are talking about before you speak.

Why would the west be left holding the bag? usapa has a duty of fair representation to make sure that we are not left holding the bad. All you east guys voted in usapa to do that job. Represent everyone fairly not just east pilots. So if we are left holding the bag. DFR and big bucks from you guys.

But however you want to play it is up to you.

 

[Phoenix]

P-I-D. The date of the merger is the important part here. Not what has happened AFTER the merger. Why is it so hard for you east guys to understand that. PRE merger. POST merger.

1700 east furloughed pilots. They all want to leapfrog over active west pilots.

My guess is that by the time we have a joint contract to vote on the PID will be more than a decade past and there will still be no East furloughed pilots (and hundreds of new hires will have arrived) yet the West hold-outs will probably still be refusing to return from furlough, but will demand to leapfrog to a wide-body.

 

[Pi brat]

P-I-D. The date of the merger is the important part here. Not what has happened AFTER the merger. Why is it so hard for you east guys to understand that. PRE merger. POST merger.

1700 east furloughed pilots. They all want to leapfrog over active west pilots.

Except to Mr Nicolau, it seems. From the opinion and award:

"In the exercise of caution, we have also constructed the list on a
no-growth basis, using the fleet as it existed on January 1, 2007, and
giving no weight to pre-merger orders except to the extent that any
such additions were in place as of January 1, 2007. Our judgment as to
the fleet is based, not on asserted expectations as both sides urged,
but on reality. Particularly in this day and age, with airline instability a
way of life, it makes little sense to rely on pre-merger projections. This
is especially the case here when the financial picture of both airlines
was less than optimum. A January 1, 2007 list also is a closer
reflection of reality on the merged airline."

He just used PID for status, not fleet. So it was okay to use pre merger for status, post merger for "a closer
reflection of reality on the merged airline" fleet, where the east had dropped what, twice as many A/C as the west yet still recalled about 300 pilots?

 

[A320 Driver]

P-I-D. The date of the merger is the important part here. Not what has happened AFTER the merger. Why is it so hard for you east guys to understand that. PRE merger. POST merger.

Yes, it is abundantly clear to anyone who reads these posts why you stand by the PID.

1700 east furloughed pilots. They all want to leapfrog over active west pilots.

Not all of them, but they do deserve credit for their length of service.

Driver. B)

 

[CallawayGolf]

Not all of them, but they do deserve credit for their length of service.

Driver. B)

Is that a quote from the RLA?
Is that a quote from the ALPA merger policy?
Is that a quote from the Transition Agreement?
Is that a quote from a federal court of law?

Legally, each pilot deserves the position listed in the Nicolau Award. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[flypg]

Is that a quote from the RLA?
Is that a quote from the ALPA merger policy?
Is that a quote from the Transition Agreement?
Is that a quote from a federal court of law?

Legally, each pilot deserves the position listed in the Nicolau Award. Nothing more, nothing less.

Sure...And how is it working for you so far ? You got DOH right now and will keep it in the far future period. No court will force the Nic upon any union. Just confirm it with the 9th...

And BTW, deserve in your narrow christian mind may work in Myanmar, North Korea or even Greece, not here buddy.

 

[CallawayGolf]

Sure...And how is it working for you so far ? You got DOH right now and will keep it in the far future period. No court will force the Nic upon any union. Just confirm it with the 9th...

And BTW, deserve in your narrow christian mind may work in Myanmar, North Korea or even Greece, not here buddy.

A court already did issue an injunction on USAPA to use the NIC for negotiations when the DFR was evaluated based on the merits. If judge Silver doesn't do the same then USAPA is welcome to try and pass a contract with DOH in it and then see what happens in DFR II (except that Management will not give in if it means a collusion risk). The only thing USAPA has won thus far is a very costly legal delay with no resolution.

What are you talking about with "your narrow Christian mind"? My mind is only narrowed by accepting truth and rejecting lies. Have you tried expressing a statement of truth in North Korea? Here's a quote from North Korean Christians website:

North Korean Christians aren't simply killed for their faith in Christ. They are pulverized with steamrollers, used to test biological weapons, shipped off to death camps or shot in front of children, while newborn babies have their brains pithed with forceps in front of their mothers. Crimes against humanity reminiscent of Auschwitz and Treblinka to which the world declared "Never Again!" more than 60 years ago, are being perpetrated today against the North Korean Christians.

Are you bragging about this kind of treatment of fellow human beings because of what they believe in?

And then there is: Myanmar/Burma

Myanmar (MNN) ― More than 70 houses, a mobile health clinic and two schools in Eastern Burma have been burnt down by army patrols stepping up the offensive on Karen villagers.

Burma, officially the Union of Myanmar, is the largest country by geographical area in Indochina (mainland Southeast Asia).

The Karen make up approximately 7 percent of the total Burmese population of 47 million people. They have fought for independence from Burma for over 60 years.

Patrick Klein with Vision Beyond Borders just returned from the region. "They set fire to 46 houses in one area, 28 in another area. They burned a mobile health clinic, middle school and nursery school. Thousands more people have been displaced and are in hiding following the attack."

Klein says this is a blatant attack against Christians -- bordering on genocide. He's concerned because Vision Beyond Borders is helping with Cyclone Nargis recovery. "We're actually building more orphanages right now. We're bringing more kids in. And we're facing more and more opposition from the government. They don't want, especially Christians, to be helping kids come to know Jesus as Lord and Savior and kids to grow up with a conviction to serve God first and foremost."

Do you want to threaten me and my family in a similar manner to the treatment Christians receive in these countries where you claim Christian beliefs are "working"? Do you want to burn down my house, run me over with a steamroller, kill my children? Is that what your are suggesting? Is that how bad you want to win this seniority dispute? Whatever works for you. No matter what you do to me in this life I know I will stand before the judgement seat of Christ which is a throne of grace and mercy instead of the Great White Throne where those whose names are not written in the Lamb's Book of Life will be cast into the outer darkness where there will weeping and gnashing of teeth day and night forever. The choice is yours, not mine.

 

[Phoenix]

...Here's a quote from North Korean Christians website:

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Try to stay on topic. 🙄

 

[CallawayGolf]

Try to stay on topic. 🙄

You might want to check the post right before my response. 😉

 

[Phoenix]

You might want to check the post right before my response. 😉

Yeah, I re-read it several times and I can't seem to find the part where he is planning to burn down your house and kill your children. Loosen your grip a little on the bottle, err throttle, you might be over correcting.