US Pilots Labor Discussion

[BoeingBoy]

There are no deals with Parker. Nobody wants a merger with AA.

After all the talk about east going to AA and west to Republic, that's an about face...

Jim

 

[USA320Pilot]

Unbiased Facts' Update (Cleary Fires Seham Before the BPR Meeting): October 20, 2011

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Update for October 20, 2011

Quick Fact #201: Mike Cleary removed Lee Seham and his firm, S,S,M&P, without approval from the BPR, and informed Seham that their "firm does not act as USAPA's General Counsel and that you have no continuing responsibility with respect to either the Merger Committee or the Safety Committee." How will Cleary's unilateral action affect USAPA’s various legal cases and its seniority integration?

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[CallawayGolf]

I would think the opposite - it could be seen as gloating for the company to release a USAPA loss first. Since a company win would change nothing from the company's perspective, give USAPA some time to admit it's latest loss first.

Jim

I agree. I also would find it hard to believe Cleary could maintain his composure if he had the biggest win for USAPA in his hip pocket. I suspect he would want to get the good news out as soon as possible to re-energize the east. Plus, he could start backing down on USAPA's legal outflows since there would no longer be a benefit to illegally opposing the NIC. For the first time USAPA could confidently put a contract out with the NIC included to satisfy the mediator that USAPA was actually working on a new contract. Of course USAPA wouldn't negotiate for rates lower than what a Kasher win yields so this places the burden back on Management to come up with something better than Kirby and Kasher. Then, even if a TA is presented to the members which includes the NIC, the east could still vote it down having their wages already set to levels the east pilots would be satisfied with (so we are told here). There really is no downside to getting this information out if it us a win for USAPA. A loss for USAPA would be terrible news by contrast and there would be little motivation for Cleary or Management to push it out there before the last possible moment.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

Final draft of Kasher's decision is going out in the next few days. Expect it to be leaked shortly thereafter.

Activate the east CIRP again.

I thought we heard exactly that a couple weeks ago.

 

[Move2CLT]

I thought we heard exactly that a couple weeks ago.

That was the initial draft. The slot swap had pulled resources from the arbitration and the ESs were tough to coordinate.

But the final draft is due shortly with one last chance to comment and out it comes.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

That was the initial draft. The slot swap had pulled resources from the arbitration and the ESs were tough to coordinate.

But the final draft is due shortly with one last chance to comment and out it comes.

Sounds reasonable, but now I wonder what will disrupt it this time? After all, we've gotta hear the same #### at least a few more times.

 

[Claxon]

That was the initial draft. The slot swap had pulled resources from the arbitration and the ESs were tough to coordinate.

But the final draft is due shortly with one last chance to comment and out it comes.

The eastern pilots will win the arbitration.

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

Final draft of Kasher's decision is going out in the next few days. Expect it to be leaked shortly thereafter.

Activate the east CIRP again.

Yeah, winning something, for once, might cause a few heart palpitations amongst the east pilots.

Your point?

 

[SparrowHawk]

Unbiased Facts' Update (Cleary Fires Seham Before the BPR Meeting): October 20, 2011

A thought just occurred to me. If a website promoting an agenda calls itself "Unbiased", isn't rhat site already demonstrating a built in bias that supports their underlying agenda and the reason they exist?

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

A thought just occurred to me. If a website promoting an agenda calls itself "Unbiased", isn't rhat site already demonstrating a built in bias that supports their underlying agenda and the reason they exist?

Bingo! Ding ding.

I've been saying this for years. I have a great collection of the website and more than a few of the posts have been great for USAPA. Thank you cm. If the westies only knew how you have really dumped on their issues, makes me feel warm when you start flying with them. Ought to be interesting. Hope you don't fly to Louisville with them, ever.

 

[Phoenix]

A thought just occurred to me. If a website promoting an agenda calls itself "Unbiased", isn't rhat site already demonstrating a built in bias that supports their underlying agenda and the reason they exist?

Sorta like having "Oxy" for a first name. There is only one logical last name!

 

[SparrowHawk]

Sorta like having "Oxy" for a first name. There is only one logical last name!

That wasn't very nice!! Funny as can be though.

I'm guessing you mean oxycontin right?

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

I'm guessing you mean oxycontin right?

I thought that was Lush Rimbaugh's drug of choice.

- dyslexia bob.

 

[SparrowHawk]

I thought that was Lush Rimbaugh's drug of choice.

- dyslexia bob.

Not to stray to far afield. Suffice it to say I've stared addiction square in the face in my personal life. Not myself but in someone special. When the wound of addiction (as in her case) is self inflicted, I've little to no sympathy.

However when someone who has a chronic injury becomes addicted, I'll cut a little slack. Rush and my former Sister-in-law fall into the latter category.

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

However when someone who has a chronic injury becomes addicted, I'll cut a little slack. Rush and my former Sister-in-law fall into the latter category.

Wrong!!!!

Never. While I withhold judgement on the addict, the doctor is another matter. Sorryl

And, you presume the patient is a failure, something I rarely agree with.

About Lush, he had his "maid" shop doctors for his fix. He was caught with unprescribed Viagra returning from Haiti, after frequenting young boys clubs there.

Look, make excuses all you want. Lush is a criminal in my book that should suffer the death penalty.

Face it, American really likes young kid porn. From catholic priests to right-wing radio talk show hosts.

People whine about "mexican drug dealers". Guess what? They are simply capitalists serving the drug habit in the norte. That be us. Simple for any Wall Street person.