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As I've stated before, they've managed to screw up anything or any situation they try to control. USAPA is going to be just another thing to add to that list and they're well on their way.

Its just a matter of time.

The east's worse enemy is not the company or the west, its another eastie.


LOL, they have shot off most of their toes by now.

Off topic.... This week, I get to fly on a 707! Actually a KC-135, get to go on a refueling flight with the National Guard. That fills in another plane that I've never been on, just need the 787 to have the full set (not counting the 720 or a few of the more obscure variants like the 747SR or the 757-300) 😀
 
Need anymore proof that the minority AFO Club Has hijacked the union and is attempting to hold ALL US AIR PILOTS hostage? What this guy is really saying is that if given the chance to dump USAPA for ALPA, the majority of Easties will vote for it. Like any banana republic regime run by crazed dictators, the minority fears democracy. The very last thing Cleary and the BPR will EVER allow is the membership to vote on anything important. USAPA has devolved into an absolute abortion and a clear warning to any unionized group of precisely what NOT to do.

The West told you all of this over four years ago. Oh well, at least LOA93 ISN'T OUR PROBLEM.
No pulling the wool over your eyes, I think the vote here for ALPA is as likely as ALPA at JETBLUE!
 
Get a grip Jetzz! It isn't me on a UAL board going wack, it is you, supposedly UAL, on the USAir board going crazy. Look in the mirror, look on the stupid webboard, it is YOU who is here! :blink: :blink: :blink: 2000 times! That is damn hilarious, unless it is you! :lol: :lol:
As a long time lurker I must say you've gone off the deep end. A cursory look back at history shows that it IS you and a handful of others going crazy. Jetz seems to post here whenever there is a significant development like the DJ or the injunction, or back when there was M&A activity between USAirways and United. He reasons that anything that happens here could set precedent that effects UA/CO. Fair enough. In between he basically lets us have at each other, until there is a need to field foul balls by you and others. I personally don't care what his motives are, nor yours or anyone else that chooses to participate in this discussion. It's a public forum for God's sake! No requirement to explain to anyone.

You guys bring up UA or Jetz in a derogatory manner, and then are surprised and insulted that he responds. Not surprising considering your history of expecting everyone to accept what you say and roll over without objection. Truly childish behavior. Interestingly, you don't give so much attention to "outsiders" like Claxon who claims to be a non-east or west pilot, or others like a longshoreman. Perhaps because they take your side? You also have nothing constructive to say. Just slander directed to a person who disagrees with your point of view. What does that say about your character? Try not bringing up the subject of Jetz or UA, and maybe he'll stop responding. Ever think of that?

Have we on the west gotten to you that badly? I'm sure you have more constructive things to talk about. I for one would rather debate the issues at hand with you, than read your rants about a personal vendetta.

On that note, I have to think that you guys on the east that say you will never vote on a contract that doesn't include the nic, must consider the possibility that there are some who are tired of the direction USAPA has taken this place, and tired of broken promises, and might just vote on a decent contract WITH nic if Kasher hands you a loss.

I also think that the whole IBT thing is proof of this. Cleary must be afraid that he has lost so much support that ALPA could easily be voted back in, considering USAPA's win in the first place was not a landslide, and many campaign promises never materialized.
 
As a long time lurker I must say you've gone off the deep end. A cursory look back at history shows that it IS you and a handful of others going crazy. Jetz seems to post here whenever there is a significant development like the DJ or the injunction, or back when there was M&A activity between USAirways and United. He reasons that anything that happens here could set precedent that effects UA/CO. Fair enough. In between he basically lets us have at each other, until there is a need to field foul balls by you and others. I personally don't care what his motives are, nor yours or anyone else that chooses to participate in this discussion. It's a public forum for God's sake! No requirement to explain to anyone.

You guys bring up UA or Jetz in a derogatory manner, and then are surprised and insulted that he responds. Not surprising considering your history of expecting everyone to accept what you say and roll over without objection. Truly childish behavior. Interestingly, you don't give so much attention to "outsiders" like Claxon who claims to be a non-east or west pilot, or others like a longshoreman. Perhaps because they take your side? You also have nothing constructive to say. Just slander directed to a person who disagrees with your point of view. What does that say about your character? Try not bringing up the subject of Jetz or UA, and maybe he'll stop responding. Ever think of that?

Have we on the west gotten to you that badly? I'm sure you have more constructive things to talk about. I for one would rather debate the issues at hand with you, than read your rants about a personal vendetta.

On that note, I have to think that you guys on the east that say you will never vote on a contract that doesn't include the nic, must consider the possibility that there are some who are tired of the direction USAPA has taken this place, and tired of broken promises, and might just vote on a decent contract WITH nic if Kasher hands you a loss.

I also think that the whole IBT thing is proof of this. Cleary must be afraid that he has lost so much support that ALPA could easily be voted back in, considering USAPA's win in the first place was not a landslide, and many campaign promises never materialized.
Sounds like your into a pretty good rant right there, pot meet kettle! BTW Why hasn't the EAST ousted CLEARY or USAPA if what you say is true? Because never happen, you have never walked a mile in EAST shoes, that IBT now that's proof alright, DREAM ON!
 
As a long time lurker I must say you've gone off the deep end. A cursory look back at history shows that it IS you and a handful of others going crazy.
A look back at history says NIC got it wrong along with ALPA, or you wouldn't want it at any price, 2mill and rising!
 
Sounds like your into a pretty good rant right there, pot meet kettle! BTW Why hasn't the EAST ousted CLEARY or USAPA if what you say is true? Because never happen, you have never walked a mile in EAST shoes, that IBT now that's proof alright, DREAM ON!
At least my one time rant is written in proper English. Some people around here can't spell or write well, making it hard to decipher their meaning.

Never claimed to have all the answers. From my perspective it looks like pilots are waiting for word from Kasher. If I were in your shoes I'd hold out too as the last resort. IMO if that goes against the east you very well might see that ouster.
 
It is easy to see where we are headed. DOH wont work, NIC wont work. Mgmt. Style we have wont work. The current merger will never be worked out. Mgmts. "beat them until they give" only leads one place.

Unless we can merge with somebody before long NIC, DOH, Payrates etc will not matter.

The entire culture of this place needs to change or it will all be gone.

The only way to fix it is from the top down. But those at the top don't know they are a large part of the problem.
 
A look back at history says NIC got it wrong along with ALPA, or you wouldn't want it at any price, 2mill and rising!
You are entitled to an opinion, as is everyone else. He may not have gotten everything right. There may have been other ways to come up with a SLI. But IMO, considering who and what he had to work with, he did a decent job. History will probably reflect that, but only time will tell. Saying NIC got it wrong is an over simplification that fits your perspective. So be it. I don't think many outside of USAPA's east supporters share that opinion. But we are so far past opinions at this point, its a waste of time. The courts will settle this sooner or later.
 
It is easy to see where we are headed. DOH wont work, NIC wont work. Mgmt. Style we have wont work. The current merger will never be worked out. Mgmts. "beat them until they give" only leads one place.

Unless we can merge with somebody before long NIC, DOH, Payrates etc will not matter.

The entire culture of this place needs to change or it will all be gone.

The only way to fix it is from the top down. But those at the top don't know they are a large part of the problem.
I agree with most of that sentiment, except the first part. DOH will work if that's what the courts eventually rule. That's because the west will respect the rule of law. NIC will also work because if that's what the courts rule there will be no other choice for the east. It's all about which side of the law you end up on. Fortunately for us on the west, the law SEEMS to be on our side. If that were not the case this would have been settled by now since you have (or had) the numbers to force whatever you wanted. It is the rule of law and our determination to continue our defense that has stopped USAPA's ultimate goal.
 
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