US Pilots Labor Discussion

[luvn737s]

Spot on Res. I'll only add that I see no way anything constructive or productive will come from the AAA-AWA merger. The best course is to just wait this out another five or ten years, until enough on the East retire and we bring in fresh faces. Either that or a merger; the highly concentrated dysfunction on the East has to be diluted as there's no other way to deal with it. Reasoning obviously doesn't work and has never worked over there.

No, there's plenty of folks unwilling to wait that long for a raise. A card drive to replace USAPA with a bipartisan union that will rewrite the C&BL's with equal input and craft a NIC-equivalent that takes into account the artificial fence that the delay has afforded the east, and put out a T/A for the pilots to vote on.

Waiting is not a viable option. It is USAPA's prime directive.

 

[SparrowHawk]

So for an A320 you think a 10-12 % reduction in fuel burn is simple, eh? Give Airbus a call and let them in on your one ridiculously simple fuel saving tip...

I'm way out of my realm here. However I've talked to several pilots both general aviation and commercial from Beech 1900-D's to 767 guys and a few in between all pretty much have told me that a pilot and save a lot of fuel based on the way they fly the airplane.

 

[767jetz]

Not to many east posters. Looks like its starting to sink in and theyve learned to STFU.

Perhaps you missed luvthe9's "threat" to take his ball and go home.

Jetzz should know, he routinely got us thrown off in the past when he cried to the moderators. After the LOA 93 win, we will have one last love fest, then all the East guys are going to leave and let you have the board if they did actually throw Apollo off. This will be our response,

Maybe they heard about the Kasher decision, or he and his cronies took an early out. Of course its entirely possible, given my great powers bestowed upon me by luvthe9, that they all got booted!

Last year I organized a complete blackout of the idot trouble makers for about 2 weeks, and they were tripping over themselves trying to bait us back into the conversation. It was funny to watch. It was a big circle jerk and they were bouncing off the walls desperate for some of us to come back into their filthy sandbox. They even went so far as to send PM's to me and others with crazy insults and accusations. They got nothing but static. I would suggest not taking the bait. In other words, debate the topics but if they want to boycott, just enjoy their silence for a while. They WILL be back again as soon as something newsworthy happens.

 

[nic4us]

No, there's plenty of folks unwilling to wait that long for a raise. A card drive to replace USAPA with a bipartisan union that will rewrite the C&BL's with equal input and craft a NIC-equivalent that takes into account the artificial fence that the delay has afforded the east, and put out a T/A for the pilots to vote on.

Waiting is not a viable option. It is USAPA's prime directive.

Luvn,

What the hell is a Nic-equivalent? I see no need for a Nic-equivalent, when we have the Nic.

I do however see a need for the West to counter-sue in the company's DJ for a system bump and flush, and a train to proficiency clause.

The company wanted out of Addington, they got out, they wanted the West in the DJ and we are forced to litigate, (and we are having to pay for it out of pocket) so, I say we go in shooting.

 

[BoeingBoy]

They WILL be back again as soon as something newsworthy happens.

Well, it's got to be discouraging watching the Crystal Cathedral morph into the Temple of Doom and Gloom...

Jim

 

[nic4us]

I'm way out of my realm here. However I've talked to several pilots both general aviation and commercial from Beech 1900-D's to 767 guys and a few in between all pretty much have told me that a pilot and save a lot of fuel based on the way they fly the airplane.

It is more the opposite. A pilot can waste fuel by not operating the plane in a manner closest to the most efficient.

It would be impossible to save more fuel than the absolute minimum amount required to accomplish a given flight segment. But, it is easy to burn more.

 

[aquagreen73s]

No, there's plenty of folks unwilling to wait that long for a raise. A card drive to replace USAPA with a bipartisan union that will rewrite the C&BL's with equal input and craft a NIC-equivalent that takes into account the artificial fence that the delay has afforded the east, and put out a T/A for the pilots to vote on.

Waiting is not a viable option. It is USAPA's prime directive.

luvn...and I mean this with the utmost sincerity, but after six years of being associated with the East all I can say is that what you propose is pie in the sky. Why? Because what you propose has to originate on the East. The idea needs to be pushed by the East. Nothing anyone says so far has gotten the East (as a group) to reason. No judges, no arbitrators, not ALPA, not even the dozen or so firms who told Bradford that what he wanted to do was a stretch. If none of them could talk sense, I"m sorry but I don't think anything the West says or does will make a difference. As disconcerting as it may seem, this mess is out of our hands and squarely within the Easts' ability to end - tomorrow if they wanted. The Nic is it. Move on.

I'm not holding my breath.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

I'm way out of my realm here. However I've talked to several pilots both general aviation and commercial from Beech 1900-D's to 767 guys and a few in between all pretty much have told me that a pilot and save a lot of fuel based on the way they fly the airplane.

I am not a pilot, but, I think you are a bit naive in your assumptions. BTW, I got to sit in the jumpseat of a KC-135R today. And got to observe in the boom operator's station as he refueled a B2 Stealth bomber. Pretty much the coolest flight I've ever been on!

 

[SparrowHawk]

I am not a pilot, but, I think you are a bit naive in your assumptions. BTW, I got to sit in the jumpseat of a KC-135R today. And got to observe in the boom operator's station as he refueled a B2 Stealth bomber. Pretty much the coolest flight I've ever been on!

Well you had a better day than I! How cool is that!! WAY COOL! I'm jealous and happy at the same time.

As for me being naive, you're likely correct. Stick around this cesspool long enough and some turd will float to the surface and proceed to tell me just how wrong I am. I have faith in the Pile-Its.

 

[nic4us]

I am not a pilot, but, I think you are a bit naive in your assumptions. BTW, I got to sit in the jumpseat of a KC-135R today. And got to observe in the boom operator's station as he refueled a B2 Stealth bomber. Pretty much the coolest flight I've ever been on!

Way cool.

Copper flight?

Get to take any pictures?

 

[Reed Richards]

I am not a pilot, but, I think you are a bit naive in your assumptions. BTW, I got to sit in the jumpseat of a KC-135R today. And got to observe in the boom operator's station as he refueled a B2 Stealth bomber. Pretty much the coolest flight I've ever been on!

HP, I have been in the boom station, and refueled on the other end..but never seen anything as neat as a B2 that close. Good for you.

Hope you have a photo for us.

RR

 

[Reed Richards]

I'm way out of my realm here. However I've talked to several pilots both general aviation and commercial from Beech 1900-D's to 767 guys and a few in between all pretty much have told me that a pilot and save a lot of fuel based on the way they fly the airplane.

A lot of pilots over a large fleet can save millions in fuel a year. My opinion is the most savings occur in ground ops, but back in the day a lot of guys micromanaged their flights and saved hundreds of pounds a day in the air.

It is not a work action that has changed the motivations, just the reality that those that manage us could care less. Too many sticks, not enough carrots. Forums like this used to be full of discussions on how to save fuel. Now the only real input given is in "fuel school" which has become the nickname for punitive actions against pilots in the name of training. The skill set is still there, just not used much anymore.

But you are correct..pilots can indeed save important amounts of fuel in their daily ops.

RR

 

[Reed Richards]

Not to many east posters. Looks like its starting to sink in and theyve learned to STFU.

Nope, just out flying.

Not much to crow about since the loss on LOA 93. You took the wind out of our sails.

RR

 

[Pi brat]

Not to many east posters. Looks like its starting to sink in and theyve learned to STFU.

Well, we had a little meeting in the back of end-of-alpa's van and decided to let you guy have this place to yourselves.

What's to talk about? I think we have pretty much pulverized every topic in the last 6 years. Now, we just wait...............

 

[Move2CLT]

Nope, just out flying.

Not much to crow about since the loss on LOA 93. You took the wind out of our sails.

RR

Can't say I didn't warn ya.