US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Rookie Jr]

Well, it's got to be discouraging watching the Crystal Cathedral morph into the Temple of Doom and Gloom...

Jim

Discouraging? This is one of the few times I disagree with you, Jim. I will enjoy every moment of their doom and gloom.

 

[Rookie Jr]

It is more the opposite. A pilot can waste fuel by not operating the plane in a manner closest to the most efficient.

It would be impossible to save more fuel than the absolute minimum amount required to accomplish a given flight segment. But, it is easy to burn more.

I guess you never flew with Rhett.

 

[cactusboy53]

Not sure I agree with your type of change, especially the "seasoned" negotiators. As I feel anyone who has had any experience in ALPA negotiations should not be allowed at the table. It's not rocket science to negotiate a contract. It's not rocket science to determine how things would or should be worded, but anyone in alpa the past 50 years has yet to figure it out.

It's not rocket science? Well let's see....USAPA is voted in on April 18, 2008. Only one seasoned negotiating member is placed on the committee. The remaining members (including the committee chair) were FURLOUGHED when the merger took place, AND had NEVER served on ANY Negotiating Committee previously or been trained as such. The seasoned NAC member (a west pilot) suggested that we (USAPA) take the 27 closed sections done via the joint ALPA Negotiating team and ADOPT those closed sections. The NAC Chairman (under the direction of the USAPA President, I presume) declined, and said we were going to do things the USAPA way (which obviously is better!). Now keep in mind that was 3.5 YEARS AGO (that of course after the AAA MEC instructed the East Negotiating Team to WALK AWAY from the negotiating table).

Here's another one: The transition agreement allows for the COMPANY to PAY for 3 former West pilots and 3 former East pilots. The seasoned NAC member requested and finally gave an ultimatum for additional EXPERIENCED NAC help from the West pilot group, and was FLATLY refused. As such that seasoned NAC (west) member felt compelled to follow through with his ultimatum.

Clearly USAPA is not employing any rocket science theory when it comes to getting a new contract (you know, the one they promised w/i 6 months). Hey, did you hear about a lunch that the NAC & the Mediator went to in 2009 or 2010. I heard that she uttered the question..."So what's so difficult to understand about FINAL & BINDING?" True? Who knows, but certainly ironically funny.

 

[Black Swan]

Discouraging? This is one of the few times I disagree with you, Jim. I will enjoy every moment of their doom and gloom.

Here is a little listening pleasure for you while we wait for Kasher. Something tells me the gloom just isn't there.......

 

[Move2CLT]

Here is a little listening pleasure for you while we wait for Kasher. Something tells me the gloom just isn't there.......

The voice in your head doesn't count as a source. And it's so awesome you embed videos into your posts.

 

[No Land Green]

It's not rocket science? Well let's see....USAPA is voted in on April 18, 2008. Only one seasoned negotiating member is placed on the committee. The remaining members (including the committee chair) were FURLOUGHED when the merger took place, AND had NEVER served on ANY Negotiating Committee previously or been trained as such. The seasoned NAC member (a west pilot) suggested that we (USAPA) take the 27 closed sections done via the joint ALPA Negotiating team and ADOPT those closed sections. The NAC Chairman (under the direction of the USAPA President, I presume) declined, and said we were going to do things the USAPA way (which obviously is better!). Now keep in mind that was 3.5 YEARS AGO (that of course after the AAA MEC instructed the East Negotiating Team to WALK AWAY from the negotiating table).

Here's another one: The transition agreement allows for the COMPANY to PAY for 3 former West pilots and 3 former East pilots. The seasoned NAC member requested and finally gave an ultimatum for additional EXPERIENCED NAC help from the West pilot group, and was FLATLY refused. As such that seasoned NAC (west) member felt compelled to follow through with his ultimatum.

Clearly USAPA is not employing any rocket science theory when it comes to getting a new contract (you know, the one they promised w/i 6 months). Hey, did you hear about a lunch that the NAC & the Mediator went to in 2009 or 2010. I heard that she uttered the question..."So what's so difficult to understand about FINAL & BINDING?" True? Who knows, but certainly ironically funny.

Come on fellow Easties, just demand the Nic List from USAPA, it's the Universal Drug that will fix everything. The Nic List will get us an industry leading contract, bring unity and everlasting harmony amongst all LCC Pilots and demand that respect from Management. I can't wait to see the Nic List Implemented and that better than DAL Industry Leading Contract LCC Pilots are going to have. I bet Parker is just sitting there waiting to hand it to us.......LMAO!!!!!

 

[Move2CLT]

Someone gets it. Nice work NLG!!!

 

[Black Swan]

The voice in your head doesn't count as a source. And it's so awesome you embed videos into your posts.

Here is one for you. Aqua, Move2 and Res attacking USAPA HQ in CLT

 

[prechilill]

Here is one for you. Aqua, Move2 and Res attacking USAPA HQ in CLT

Black Swan:

GAME OVER!

What do you think???

 

[Res Judicata]

Here is one for you. Aqua, Move2 and Res attacking USAPA HQ in CLT

I think myself and the others you refer to are really more like the guy holding the Camera. We're just standing there...out of the way watching YOU shoot morters in any random direction to force your will upon others. We know what's going to happen so we just stay out of the way and watch you destroy yourself.

USCABA is destroying itself if you haven't noticed. We're just the popcorn munchers with an internet connection.

 

[luvthe9]

SOON TO BE RELEASED ON TEMPE!!!! PS IT'S GOING TO STING http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVpBeiSjXSs

 

[Res Judicata]

SOON TO BE RELEASED ON TEMPE!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVpBeiSjXSs

You tried that already and were once again #### slapped by a Federal Judge. In North Carolina no less.

Keep dreaming. Someday USAPA will be relevant, powerful, and important. Just as soon as they put USAPA in the World of Warcraft!

 

[USA320Pilot]

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US Airways said: "As of last week, using the Association’s costing methodology for their proposals; the first year increase in total pilot costs was $1.15 billion, with an approximate $300 million cost increase in total pilot costs for each year thereafter. This analysis did not include additional costs associated with Sections 8, 13, 18, 26, and 27. Obviously, there is extensive work to be done in order to narrow the sizable gap between the Association’s current proposal and what the Company can realistically afford."

USA320Pilot asks: For the year US Airways has a net profit of about $90 million. A $1.15 billion + USAPA proposed pilot payroll increase, if accepted by management, would increase the company's payroll by over $1 billion in one year and reduce the carrier's cash on hand from $2.4 billion to $1.3 billion from the end of 3Q cash balance. Is USAPA's "all rookie" NAC being realistic and can they obtain a new contract?

Scott Kirby said: “I will take a minute to talk about our relationship with USAPA. It’s not about working something out it’s about leverage and trying to overreach. If that’s what they’re going to do were not going to get things worked out. It’s unfortunate. It’s harmful to everybody in this room. It’s harmful to the company. I wish it could change. But, we do have a working relationship with all of the other unions. We don’t have a working relationship with USAPA. I wish that could change. I think we need USAPA to change that because we do have a working relationship with everybody else. Everybody but USAPA.”

USA320Pilot asks: How harmful is it for the pilots and 27,000 other employees for USAPA to be the only US Airways union to not have a "working relationship" with management?"

 

[USA320Pilot]

US Airways said: "As of last week, using the Association’s costing methodology for their proposals; the first year increase in total pilot costs was $1.15 billion, with an approximate $300 million cost increase in total pilot costs for each year thereafter. This analysis did not include additional costs associated with Sections 8, 13, 18, 26, and 27. Obviously, there is extensive work to be done in order to narrow the sizable gap between the Association’s current proposal and what the Company can realistically afford."

USA320Pilot asks: For the year US Airways has a net profit of about $90 million. A $1.15 billion + USAPA proposed pilot payroll increase, if accepted by management, would increase the company's payroll by over $1 billion in one year and reduce the carrier's cash on hand from $2.4 billion to $1.3 billion from the end of 3Q cash balance. Is USAPA's "all rookie" NAC being realistic and can they obtain a new contract?

Scott Kirby said: “I will take a minute to talk about our relationship with USAPA. It’s not about working something out it’s about leverage and trying to overreach. If that’s what they’re going to do were not going to get things worked out. It’s unfortunate. It’s harmful to everybody in this room. It’s harmful to the company. I wish it could change. But, we do have a working relationship with all of the other unions. We don’t have a working relationship with USAPA. I wish that could change. I think we need USAPA to change that because we do have a working relationship with everybody else. Everybody but USAPA.”

USA320Pilot asks: How harmful is it for the pilots and 27,000 other employees for USAPA to be the only US Airways union to not have a "working relationship" with management?"

P.S. $1.15 Billion divided by 5,000 pilots = $230,000 per pilot. Maybe USAPA should not have fired Seham's firm and Professional Negotiator Scott Peterson. At least USAPA now hase two new line pilots with no negotiating experience to do the NAC's costing. I'm sure glad USAPA does not use ALPA E&FA Department for this work like Continental, Delta, United, Southwest, and American's pilots do.