US Pilots Labor Discussion

[HPearlyretiree]

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This is what we refueled yesterday.

AWACS

 

[nic4us]

What you really don't get is the fact East pilots are honestly not fed up with USAPA at all, just as we most likely underestimate the resolve of the West pilots to support Leonidas. But remember this, the East pilots are sitting right now waiting for Kasher to deliver his award, and you know how I think it goes. But my feelings aside, the rest of the pilots on the East are focused entirely on this, and there is no angst with USAPA at all. All East pilots realize the Nicolau is a non starter. Until that is dropped, the battle will go on ad infinitum. Most East pilots, if Kasher goes against them, know the only way to have any career advancement in the future, is to reject the Nicolau. Acceptance of the Nicolau has no relation to getting a contract, and we are well aware of that fact. We realize we will never be able to unite with the West pilots after the Injunction actions, and will stand alone.

Your'e going to be standing alone alright!!

You get a Kasher loss, and usapa is toast. You can stand alone in the seperate ops so I can upgrade for $123/hr line.

You get a Kasher total win, the east is toast, and you can stand in the unemployment line.

Either way, outcome is fine with me.

Oh, there is a third option. One that I don't like, but is actually the most likely. You get your 3% annual raise re-instated, effective the day of the decision going forward. Then you just might get enough east pilots to stay the scab course. And, the company is happy, because the battle rages on, while they save another billion over the next 3 years.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Your'e going to be standing alone alright!!

You get a Kasher loss, and usapa is toast. You can stand alone in the seperate ops so I can upgrade for $123/hr line.

You get a Kasher total win, the east is toast, and you can stand in the unemployment line.

Either way, outcome is fine with me.

Oh, there is a third option. One that I don't like, but is actually the most likely. You get your 3% annual raise re-instated, effective the day of the decision going forward. Then you just might get enough east pilots to stay the scab course. And, the company is happy, because the battle rages on, while they save another billion over the next 3 years.

Your speculation is pure jibberish, like your post! Enjoy your upgrade!

 

[Black Swan]

You are correct, the 9th remanded Addington, and Wake dismissed. Kind of ironic it still plagues the scab union. Funny thing is, everybody except the scab union knows why Addington ain't going away.


Hey, I hear usapa finally dropped the RICO suit!!!

scabs figured out that they try to push it at all and they would get their asses handed to them, and since they fired that union busting scab lawyer Seeham (RICO filing scumbag lawyer), I guess maybe new counsel was not about to stick its shaft into a hot outlet.

Next up, Kasher devastation. Scab union is going to be crying hard over that loss.

Lets see,,,what else is in the cards for the scabs....oh..I know..the company DJ. How many times did judge Silver reference Addington in her earlier meetings with the scabs, and how many times did she tell the scab lawyer Seeham, that ain't what the 9th said??

Man, usapa ain't going to know what hit them, because they are too stupid to read what is plainly being told to them.

Nic4, I hate to tell you this, but Addington went away..........

Your continued inability to grasp what the 9th said, is startling at the least.
Also, how do you rationalize Kasher giving the 3% on the day of the award in contractual terms. Where does it say that, or do you think Kasher just makes up contractual deals on the fly totally disregarding the term Frozen, and saying Dec 31 2009 was just a date that flew in and out of the document, meaning nothing. So if it meant nothing, why was it there? He is going to address why it was there, and the company is not going to like it. They signed it, they will pay it. And they are not moving the flying west in your grand scheme. The Boeing case in SC is proof of that. We have many protections from this happening, min fleet and hrs. Good luck with the NLRB. Here is the 9th, again.

CONCLUSION
[10] For the foregoing reasons, we hold that Plaintiffs’
DFR claim is not ripe; therefore, the case is REMANDED to
the district court with directions that the action be DIS-
MISSED. No costs to either side.


DREAMLINER
Ruling: Boeing's Carolina plant is illegal retaliation against union
The top lawyer for the National Labor Relations Board issued a ruling Wednesday claiming that Boeing violated federal labor laws in deciding to start manufacturing a new line of its 787 planes in South Carolina – and seeking to force the firm to make the Dreamliner aircraft at its current plant in Everett.

JAMES ROSEN; MCCLATCHY NEWSPAPERS
Published: 04/20/11 2:54 pm | Updated: 04/20/11 4:31 pm
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WASHINGTON – The top lawyer for the National Labor Relations Board issued a ruling Wednesday claiming that Boeing violated federal labor laws in deciding to start manufacturing a new line of its 787 planes in South Carolina – and seeking to force the firm to make the Dreamliner aircraft at its current plant in Everett.

Boeing executive vice president Michael Luttig blasted the ruling as “frivolous,” said the company will fight it in court and expressed confidence that production of the 787’s will begin as scheduled this summer at its new Charleston plant.

“Boeing has every right under both federal law and its collective bargaining agreement to build additional U.S. production capacity outside of the Puget Sound region,” Luttig said.

Lafe Solomon, NLRB’s acting general counsel, alleged in his complaint that Boeing’s decision to open a non-union factory in South Carolina, a right-to-work state, discriminated against its Washington state employees who belong to the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers.

"A worker’s right to strike is a fundamental right guaranteed by the National Labor Relations Act,” Solomon said. “We also recognize the rights of employers to make business decisions based on their economic interests, but they must do so within the law.”



Read more: http://www.thenewstribune.com/2011/04/20/1634171/ruling-boeings-south-carolina.html#ixzz1cDklJk6k

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

NIC4, You have been preaching for years we should be unemployed and happy about the merger and the NIC, most of us will just retire, fine by US! GOOD LUCK on your future!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Can I get a NAUGHLER UPDATE?

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

Not only are the usapa supporters welching degenerates, but they are liars as well.


Care to name a single "three year total time in a cockpit captain"?

Awe, more projection from the scabs of scabs.

When you compare a "seventeen year F/O" with a "three year captain" you are comparing apples and oranges. Please correct for the non-pilot literates here, as in comparing a seventeen year F/O with a four year pilot who happened to occupy a captain seat. In that manner, because you are projecting an incorrect and misleading meme otherwise.

Also, considering the east "gave" the west enough time to prevent a full third of the west pilots from being furloughed, perhaps that should be repeated, time and again, basically, had that not happened, presenting a "nicholau list" that has the bottom third unpopulated from the west side, yet, refusing to consider those from the east who were "furloughed". Funny list you promote. I can just see multi-year east pilots being furloughed just because the west system fell apart. Do I sense a massive DFR if the "nicholau" were to have been implemented?

Thankfully, it seems the nicholau award will only be remembered in a cautionary manner. Enjoy your DOH.

 

[luvthe9]

You get a Kasher total win, the east is toast, and you can stand in the unemployment line.

Either way, outcome is fine with me.

/quote]
So dramatic and so clueless, bring on the butter and jam!!!!!!! 😀

 

[luvthe9]

I will say the desperation has increased quite a bit in the west in the last few weeks as they know the end is near for them. It's all going to be fine kids.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

I will say the desperation has increased quite a bit in the west in the last few weeks as they know the end is near for them. It's all going to be fine kids.

RESUME help is a website away!

 

[traderjake]

Everybody take a few more shots it will all be over soon.

Do you mean it this time or is this another false alarm?

 

[SparrowHawk]

Precicsely HOW has the West "been trying to screw" the EAST for the last 6years? If you think negotiating in Good Faith is a screw job than you're probably beyond help like Claxhole. The East decided to become absolutely untreatable degenerates and thieves forming a quasi terrorist organization with NO OTHER purpose than to pervert the system and labor unionism itself into a one sided weapon.

Going to Federal court to fight off a career attack that could prove to be unrecoverable if successful is not "screwing" anybody any more than any OTHER public prosecution of a crime/criminals in a court room. It's called The Law. Something civilized societies hold in high regard.

Remember, a Jury already weighed in on USCABA. Guess what they found? Hint: it WASN'T the West "screwing" the East.

Spin those facts...

No spin required as long before any USAPA or court room drama, two pilot groups staked out extreme positions that required arbitration. If the 2 groups had been resonable and searched for common ground none of this drama would exist

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Funny you mention that...rumor has it the CLT Reps have just such a "dialog" going. Wonder what the Union Buster and the 99' hire are willing to give up? I have seen their previous work, I don't have high expectations.

Anyone know what is in the “comprehensive contract offer” going across the table in a few days? LOA 93 related? (I don’t know)

RR

RR, He needs us (his latest consolidation conquest), aint it funny!, COC, to save the WEST from fragmentation, won't happen! HIGH EXPECTATIONS? Won't give up a thing!

 

[fodase]

No spin required as long before any USAPA or court room drama, two pilot groups staked out extreme positions that required arbitration. If the 2 groups had been resonable and searched for common ground none of this drama would exist

You are retarded, only one side had an extreme position. BTW by agreeing to let a 3rd party arbitrate a dispute we are being "extreme"? You got to get a clue

 

[Barrister]

What about all those under 60 there bright spark? They don't get that raise, do they.

LMAO.

You just don't get it fool!!! We are all approachig 60 quick enough....now go back to your Cessna 150 flight instructor job
where you can be a big shot!!!

NICDOA
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