US Pilots Labor Discussion

[traderjake]

Actually, had you been paying attention, the east was where all the merger money came from. But, keep playing that "victim" status, it becomes you.

The money did not come from the East, the East didn't have any money.

The money came from outside investors dependent on the two companies merging.

Stay in your little USAPA fantasy world, it suits you.

http://www.seaburygroup.com/Web/AerospaceTransportation/Site.nsf/ID/news_2005_0929

 

[BoeingBoy]

Even Mr. Parker stated numerous times that A&W would be gone in thirty days without the "merger", US would remain in bk. I see a difference there.

Quite the opposite, as he stated in the Sept FA crew news, but don't let facts get in the way of a good fantasy...

Jim

 

[cactusboy53]

I think that be the "former" A&W. Didn't they go belly up? Or, would have, without east money?

Not according to Robert Mann (Airline Fiscal Expert). Mann testified in arbitration that AWA was a strong major airline that was thriving prior to be tied to the Titanic. You might be quoting either Parker or Kirby when they were mollycoddling your cry babies in older crew news sessions. Your USAPA history revisionists have successfully brain washed you and other USAPA loyalists. All you have is delay, a butt load of legal bills, a peck of legal trouble and a VERY SMALL corner that you have painted yourself into.

BTW, there was no EAST MONEY. It was money that investors put in (like Air Wisconsin, etc.), that is why the merger completion date was moved from October 1, 2005 up to September 27, 2005. My understanding is that there was not enough money to pay you kids on October 1st, so we had to help out. See you in court (again).

 

[SparrowHawk]

The East didn't have any money, it was provided by outside inverstors so that the two companies could be merged.

Stay in your little USAPA fantasy world, it suits you.

http://www.seaburygroup.com/Web/AerospaceTransportation/Site.nsf/ID/news_2005_0929

I'll ignore the USAPA comment just long enough to tell you that I'm a Salary Provider, aka Customer.

Frankly I don't give a rat's rear end who saved whom. Facts are facts. Who do you think had the business relationship with Seabury? Hint his last name began with an "L". Who had the relationship with Airbus? US did due to it's status as US Launch Customer. Who was creative enough to secure money from regional carriers? Most don't know it but Mr K. Lakefield was the first to come up with that idea.

One of the ways you can judge and compare the credentials of the 2 CEO's is DUI Convictions. Another way is research the career of Mr Lakefield. Doug is a Putz in comparison, A very good finance guy but a Putz as a leader. The way you can tell he's a Putz as a leader is the existence of this thread.

 

[traderjake]

Even Mr. Parker stated numerous times that A&W would be gone in thirty days without the "merger", US would remain in bk.

Are you completely delusional?

 

[cactusboy53]

I'll ignore the USAPA comment just long enough to tell you that I'm a Salary Provider, aka Customer.

Frankly I don't give a rat's rear end who saved whom. Facts are facts. Who do you think had the business relationship with Seabury? Hint his last name began with a n "L". Who had the relationship with Airbus? US did due to it's status as US Launch Customer. Who was creative enough to secure money from regional carriers? Most don't know it but Mr K. Lakefield was the first to come up with that idea.

One of the ways you can judge and compare the credentials of the 2 CEO's is DUI Convictions. Another way is research the career of Mr Lakefield. Doug is a putz in comparison, A very good finance guy but a puts as a leader. The way you can tell he's a putz as a leader is the existence of this thread.

Wow. Just when I was beginning to like some of your posts. Doug is my boss. Regardless of my personal feelings about how Doug manages this company, we are still making $$. Further, he is playing the USAPA fiddle like Charlie Daniels plays "The Devil Went Down To Georgia..". My pilot group has had to deal with the cards Doug is playing in this little game, but you have to admit....financially we are doing pretty well in today's volatile market.

 

[USA320Pilot]

USAPA BPR Update on October 26 said: "Returning to Open Session, and with the PHX Reps back in attendance, the Board voted 8-0-3 (PHX abstention) to approve that the law firm O'Dwyer and Bernstien, and Pat Szymanski,to represent USAPA in the pending Declaratory Judgment."

CLT Domicile Update on October 31 said: "It is with this background information that the Board had to decide with whom to place our trust for the upcoming court dates in Phoenix. O'Dwyer and Bernstien, along with Pat Szymanski (former General Counsel for IBT President Jimmy Hoffa, Jr.), have already spent considerable time working with USAPA to understand our goals, our political situation, our legal and negotiating positions, etc. They filed our suit in the Eastern District of New York and are working the case involving the injunction in North Carolina."

USAPA's Application for Substitution of Counsel on October 26 said: "Claimant US Airlines Pilots Association (“USAPA”) hereby requests the Court to enter an Order substituting Susan Martin and Jennifer Kroll f the law firm of Martin & Bonnett, P.L.L.C. for the following attorneys for defendant/Counter Claimant USAPA: Lee Seham, Lucas K. Middlebrook, George Diamantopolous, Nicholas Paul Granath and Stanley J. Silverstone of Seham Seham Meltz & Peterson LLP and Stanley Lubin and Nicholas J. Enoch of Lubin & Enoch PC."

USA320Pilot comments: Why did the BPR and the CLT Reps inform the pilots that " O'Dwyer and Bernstien, along with Pat Szymanski (former General Counsel for IBT President Jimmy Hoffa, Jr.)," would represent USAPA in the DJ lawsuit, with its next hearing one month from today, but the union filed an Application for Substution of Counsel to have Susan Martin and Jennifer Kroll f the law firm of Martin & Bonnett represent USAPA?

USA320Pilot asks: Why did the BPR and the CLT Reps not tell the pilots that yet another law firm was hired that is brand new to the seniority litigation? Where is the money going to come from to pay for yet another law firm to represent USAPA?

 

[Move2CLT]

LAMO..... if you did that you would not be able to talk.

Its L-M-A-O.

But that's OK. You're old.

 

[Move2CLT]

Nicely done - again!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=m7lgU3J5seA#!

 

[eastcoast]

Careful eastcoast, I hear the sound of incoming...

Jim

No doubt. I've dealt with worse characters in my lifetime than this bunch of cyber-bullies.

Everyone knows the NIC is not going to happen why do we still waste time on it, again lets talk about the LOA93 win that's coming I think that will start to reshape things quite a bit. I can't wait ot see how the west will spin this one int o a victory for AOL that should be real funny. It's coming soon.

Why do you keep talking as if you have your finger on the pulse of our pilot group? Who made you our spokesperson? What are YOU going to do if/when Kasher rules against us? I've heard lots of talk over the last few years but have seen no progress. Regardless of the Kasher decision, taking whats not ours is not honorable. Our West counterparts are entitled to what they brought to the table. I for one am tired of the overblown egos, the superior attitudes, and the complacency that allowed it to get out of control. One way or another, there are those of us determined to take back our union. Cooler heads will prevail in the end. You do not speak for "everyone."

 

[Move2CLT]

Great questions asked by a smart east pilot:

So let's see if I understand this. To date, no one has been reviewing the legal billing practices of any or all attorneys and all of a sudden it's an issue. What the heck have these guys been doing in their role of fiduciary oversight that only now they see a billing problem. Who authorized the legal work that was billed? Who authorized the bill to be paid? Who signed the checks? and wait for it........................where are the internal controls over the fiscal well being of this group? YGTBSM............and now it's a problem...............and now there is "oversight" and now there are internal controls? Little bit late, don't you think?

My real question is Who is guilty for the lack of oversight? I think the pilots deserve a name or names of those responsible................it starts with the BPR for not paying attention, Cleary and Mowrey for acting with total disregard for fiscal management and ends with whoever signed the checks. The rule in accounting is that the bookkeeper is guilty until proven innocent...........in this case that may not be true as the oversight should not rest with the bookkeeper..................that's part of internal controls that seem to be totally absent here.

What a shameful joke.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Wow. Just when I was beginning to like some of your posts. Doug is my boss. Regardless of my personal feelings about how Doug manages this company, we are still making $$. Further, he is playing the USAPA fiddle like Charlie Daniels plays "The Devil Went Down To Georgia..". My pilot group has had to deal with the cards Doug is playing in this little game, but you have to admit....financially we are doing pretty well in today's volatile market.

US is doing OK. To me OK isn't good enough. No one except the executives have gotten a raise in 6 years, which is a disgrace and demonstrates lack of leadership skills and a me first attitude which will IMO lead to the ultimate demise of US Airways as a stand alone airline.

Doug has done what he's done with a lot of smoke and mirrors. I firmly believe if you could transplant WN's corporate culture to US you'd have an airline this is unstoppable. Doug doesn't have those skills. There was opportunity to lead on the pilot issues, he didn't lead. Ergo he isn't a leader.

 

[Move2CLT]

Why not? Your daddy wants to fly a wide body now and expect the east to pay for it.

Tell your daddy that he is really screwing you up.

Go back to sleep sealbeater.

That was stupid.

 

[Move2CLT]

I don't know who Res, fodase, and move2 are, but I do know who Clear is. Never furloughed from AWA, and not a leonidas principal.

I have given money to AOL, maybe that is what you are talking about. I bet all the people you listed have done that except BB, and maybe Move2, if he is who I suspect he is.

Titanium.

 

[eastcoast]

They dont speak for all of us just the majority, thats all that counts.

You sure about that? Maybe you mean the vocal minority. The last time we voted USAPA won by a slim margin. Lots of broken promises and misguided decisions since then. In my opinion a decent contact with the arbitrated list would pass. So would a vote for new representation. I've been listening to the talking points for years. No more talk. Time for action. Pass a contract and when it fails you can claim majority rules again. The fact that a certain dictator will never let us vote on the Nic is all the proof I need.