US Pilots Labor Discussion

[traderjake]

Internet Trash talk - Larry Potta and the Guild of Deception

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7lgU3J5seA&feature=player_embedded#!

 

[USA320Pilot]

ITT News Update (Larry Potta and the Guild of deception now playing...): October 31, 2011

Click here to watch the video.

 

[mikey60]

Now that's just plain funny! If the west were to give in to DOH there would be no senior west pilots. The very few who might benefit are those who will be 65 in the near future.

So,where's the problem.

 

[mikey60]

Luvthe9 and the Clubber ought to just hand their IDs like men rather than the tearful drama it will eventually be in a jetway near them soon.

Why?....Did someone get a trip bought and I wasnt consulted? Any trips bought,....I'M first.

 

[mikey60]

If, by quick, you mean a few years then you're correct.

And the only ones crying for a raise are you guys. And you're doing it while being videotaped and holding a bible!!

LMAO.

LAMO..... if you did that you would not be able to talk.

 

[mikey60]

Talk about confused..how does the Nic staple anybody on the east?

You are obviously a prior furloughee who is pissed he does not get to leepfrog West pilots.

The east will have to accept the Nic to get off of LOA93. But, if there are enough folks like you, who would rather remain seperate, then you can remain seperate for a while longer.

Little news flash for you there junior, over half the West is already captains...and they are making better coin, and getting more time off than their east counterparts. For instance, myself. I don't want the Nic so I can make captain, I have been in the left seat for over 15 years now. I will fight DOH til the end, and make sure the usapa scabs don't put a furloughed POS in my seat. You will never see DOH, and you are not coming off LOA93.

Are you still confused?

WOW over half the west pilots are captains. In the East almost half the pilots are captains but you see we need some three pilot crews so you have a higher percentage of captains than the East flying smaller airplanes...HUH amazing.

I didn't know that the west was paid more than the 76 or the 330.

So you have been a captain for 15 years WOW I bet that really is the talk of your neighborhood, oh by the way on a little jet.

Between sick and dropped trips nobody works less than me.

 

[mikey60]

You sure do throw out a lot of numbers. So let me throw out a few.

32 and 11.

That is the difference between separate ops and the Nicolau attrition. You fools are giving away hundreds of millions of dollars and contract improvements because of 32 per year for the next 9 years and and average of 11 per years for the next 19 years.

But have at it boys.I can't fix stupid. Now if you don't believe those number you better do a little research and think about how I came up with that figure.

Stand alone you have 71% of the attrition. Combined ops you have 66.6%. But I guess as one of you said you want 90% of the attrition. But you also want 90% of the contract.

Tell you what. You guys can have 71% of the attrition of we can have 40% of the contract instead of the 10% usapa is trying to leave us.

Why are you so worried about the East....worry about your own problems we will take care of ours.

 

[cactusboy53]

East has 2646 active pilots. NIC completly disregards 716 of those. That is almost 1/3 of the total east pilot list that anything with NIC in would do unrecoverable harm to. Remeber this is 2011 not 2005.

REMEMBER...the acquisition took place in 2005, NOT 2011. Nic completely addressed ALL pilots that had a job at both America West Airlines and the former US Air. Would those 716 pilots be driving at MDA at the time of the acquisition? No harm, but it's getting pretty foul for the lack of memory.

See you in court (events that are also final and binding).

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

REMEMBER...the acquisition took place in 2005, NOT 2011. Nic completely addressed ALL pilots that had a job at both America West Airlines and the former US Air. Would those 716 pilots be driving at MDA at the time of the acquisition? No harm, but it's getting pretty foul for the lack of memory.

See you in court (events that are also final and binding).

I think that be the "former" A&W. Didn't they go belly up? Or, would have, without east money?

 

[traderjake]

I think that be the "former" A&W. Didn't they go belly up? Or, would have, without east money?

You mean the East money the East didn't have to make the East payroll with?

 

[SparrowHawk]

You mean the East money the East didn't have to make the East payroll with?

It was bad but NEVER that bad. US was unlikely to survive and if everyone is honest with themselves there would no HP or US without the merger. I'm not going to reopen this entire debate because as an outsider I saw the numbers and they were UGLY all the way around and Doug admitted as much.

The hero's were folks, like Bruce Lakefield, John Luth of Seabury group, Airbus and a whole bunch of others made the deal happen. I'll skewer Doug Parker on a host of topics but when it comes to numbers he along with Bruce Lakefield are as good as it gets. Without them IMO no deal.

To me personally, the ONLY airline executive I ever wanted to meet personally was Mr Lakefield. That man IMO with his head for numbers, his general business acumen, his thick Rolodex AND concern for people saved your jobs and now you pay him back like this.

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

You mean the East money the East didn't have to make the East payroll with?

Actually, had you been paying attention, the east was where all the merger money came from. But, keep playing that "victim" status, it becomes you.

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

To me personally, the ONLY airline executive I ever wanted to meet personally was Mr Lakefield. That man IMO with his head for numbers, his general business acumen, his thick Rolodex AND concern for people saved your jobs and now you pay him back like this.

The east is compelled to remind the west where the money came from to save themselves, from themselves. The east could have waited a couple of years, after the west went bk and crying for help, but I agree with you, Mr. Lakefield is a real gentlemen and spared the west operation.

 

[SparrowHawk]

The east is compelled to remind the west where the money came from to save themselves, from themselves. The east could have waited a couple of years, after the west went bk and crying for help, but I agree with you, Mr. Lakefield is a real gentlemen and spared the west operation.

There is no need to gloat. Bruce Lakefield has more class then DP and SK will have if they live 300 years. Google Bruce Lakefield and educate yourself. The primary difference between Mr. Lakefield and DP & SK is Mr Lakefield is, Mr Lakefield knew what he didn't know. So he listened, learned and listened some more. There is a very strident unionista who I've done battle with to the point where I consider him my friend. He met Mr Lakefield and he told me "He's a real Gentleman and totally clueless about airlines." But he knew PEOPLE, not airlines and that was his greatest talent. His quiet unassuming leadership saved two airlines.

I KNOW this to be true as I've never heard one unkind word about him. The folks at US knew that he was trying to save the company and their jobs. Frankly I'd me more excited to meet him then the current President.

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

There is no need to gloat.

Sorry to give that impression.

Even Mr. Parker stated numerous times that A&W would be gone in thirty days without the "merger", US would remain in bk. I see a difference there.

No gloating intended or implied, but, reality is reality and business is business. The east could have done very well without the low margin city pairs they had to cover from the west. The "investors" did very well and would have done better without the west, but, there was that one investor who wanted to cover his west loses. I understand reality, but please try to provide context, also.