US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Pi brat]

Pi. Pi, Pi. Haven't you read my posts?

With education comes silence. The easties are no deep in thought pondering all I've taught them. When your minds are stuck in the 80s, It takes time for you guys to put it all together, hence the silence.

I've known we've one a long time ago. It's you guys that needed help accepting it.

You have so I've done my job.

Your welcome.

That's all right champ! Keep on believing and don't listen to those other voices in your head.

 

[Pi brat]

But it would be more than LOA93, right hair Pi?

Good boy! You can do math. The devil is in the details uhaul, and the details of the Kirby were not worth the small raise. I've always said if a contract was good enough, it would pass with the Nic in it. I just don't see the company providing that.

 

[Pi brat]

And that helps the west HOW?

You expect them to think that far out? You are giving them too much credit.

I really thought it was interesting when uhaul took you on. I was just skimming the topics, but he didn't seem to understand what your were saying.

 

[Move2CLT]

Another one bites the dust.

Keep on eye out for that ex!! LMAO.

 

[Monkee]

Well, pick your a$$ up off the floor. You and the your GREEDY f/o's club have beat the who bought who and honor crap into the ground. Your only concern is getting into the left seat asap. Your group was so po'ed when the age limit went to 65 because it slowed your quest for the left seat by 5 years.
As for your personal life I could not be less concerned if your paragraph about the family was to show what a good person your are, it failed. You pal are just another awe puke trying to get something for nothing. You have any kind of night you want , I dont really care.

Wow, I feel for your family, you have some real anger issues and an inferiority complex. That causes guys like you to die young of heart attacks. Calm down, you are making an ass of yourself and shortening your life, and probably not being a very good role model. You voted for USAPA, you entered this world of pain on your own because of your greed. You could have had a good contract by now, but you all thought you could stomp all over the west, even after your reneged on your agreement.

I see you rant and rave and carry on, I'd feel sorry for you, but its like watching a chihuahua barking and snarling, more funny than tragic.

 

[Move2CLT]

Hey Breeze,

They took a hands off approach a while ago and east and west ignored a lot of rules, myself included. The whole board has become a cesspool and the only real value is for entertainment. Poke a stick at the chimps every now and then.

You forgot to add the part about how you then run away for a month or two there tough guy.

 

[prechilill]

This is interesting- the East resignation that reality is inevitable for them. Contracts and law actually are the endpoint- what a surprise. How much $$$ have they thrown away? Truly a sad bunch....

 

[john john]

I ask this question quite a few pages back
What happens to the attrition upgrades on the east if down the road the nic stays in the contract and the seniority list is merged with the nic and the west can hole the east upgrades? Dose the east pilot get displace and down graded. Doesn’t this movement create a lot of training and administrative expense?

 

[mrbreeze]

This is interesting- the East resignation that reality is inevitable for them. Contracts and law actually are the endpoint- what a surprise. How much $$$ have they thrown away? Truly a sad bunch....

You're way off the subject here.

 

[Move2CLT]

You still here?

 

[Pi brat]

This is interesting- the East resignation that reality is inevitable for them. Contracts and law actually are the endpoint- what a surprise. How much $$$ have they thrown away? Truly a sad bunch....

Yeah, it's sinking in pre. You know what did it for me? The fact that you guys get a new uniform jacket for free! Wow! I can take the rest, but a new jacket............no way. I give!

You are almost there. Promised Land in sight. Best money you ever spent. Only east guys have pissed away millions. Yep, that's it.

 

[Pi brat]

I ask this question quite a few pages back
What happens to the attrition upgrades on the east if down the road the nic stays in the contract and the seniority list is merged with the nic and the west can hole the east upgrades? Dose the east pilot gets displace and down graded. Doesn’t this movement create a lot of training and administrative expense?

Absent a court ordered reshuffling, no the east will keep what they have. That's the no bump/flush. For now. When the inevitable shrinking/closure of PHX comes, the displaced guys could take the slots they missed out on and the west would be in line for new vacancies as the retirements kick in.

 

[Pi brat]

You forgot to add the part about how you then run away for a month or two there tough guy.

Yeah, that's it mighty mouth.

 

[cactusboy53]

I ask this question quite a few pages back
What happens to the attrition upgrades on the east if down the road the nic stays in the contract and the seniority list is merged with the nic and the west can hole the east upgrades? Dose the east pilot gets displace and down graded. Doesn’t this movement create a lot of training and administrative expense?

John John;
At the risk of sounding snotty, ALL of your concerns are addressed in the Transition Agreement and the Joint Statement of Labor Principles (authored by Doug Parker and Bruce Lakefield). Your pilot group has had these and other documents at your fingertips since the announcement and completion of the announced merger.

Here's some of the content from the TA:

A. Except as provided in paragraph B. below, the airline operations of America West and US Airways, with respect to pilots, shall be merged no later than twelve (12) months following the later of (i) completion of the integrated pilot seniority
list and (ii) negotiation of the Single Agreement provided that if by that date a single FAA operating certificate has not been issued, the airline operations, with respect to pilots, will be merged effective with the first bid period following thirty
(30) days after the issuance of such certificate.

The letter states "no flush - no bump" as well. Now mind you that was in the circumstance that no pilot holding say a Captain's seat could be bumped by another pilot. Here's that portion: Specifically, we would expect that no employee who already had been furloughed prior to the merger would be permitted to bump an active employee out of a job.


Your group has fought this seniority integration for so long AND have believed EVERY SINGLE word from USAPA that as a group you largely FAIL to take the time to read the documents for yourselves. Further, since USAPA screams FOUL at the Nicolau List since it's delivery, you band together like the crowd that goes after the Frankenstein monster and chant for it's destruction (without realizing that the monster is harmless and can do a Broadway jig).

Be informed and educated. Read the transcripts from the arbitration. Read the merger policies. Your group has wasted over 4 years of contract improvements by leaving the joint NC and leaving ALPA. Our "union" is spending all of its resources on FAILED litigation, and we haven't a PENNY for the next merger saved. I guarantee there will be another merger, and I would bet a months wage that that next body will be MUCH larger than our present LCC. Do you suppose they have not been watching your actions? Do you suppose the will take you into the new fold with open arms and no intent of seniority malice? Forest for the trees, my friend.

 

[Pi brat]

John John;
Do you suppose the will take you into the new fold with open arms and no intent of seniority malice? Forrest for the trees, my friend.

Not snotty at all. You do realize he is not a pilot, right?