US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Iclubbabyseals]

I know it's futile to try to confuse you with the facts but flying has simply been redistributed as east flies former west flights, etc. The block hour grievance is proof that flying on the west had been reduced and now, having won, is currently being held around minimum for the west.

Indeed. Simply redistributed, without a merged contract. Yes, indeed. So, you are admitting you "survive" only because of the east generosity. Good one.

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

As much as you easties like to defend your own home grown (upskirt) pedophile I guess it is you that should be compared to Paterno and his group.

My hometown is nowhere close to the east coast, little girl.

 

[doh nogo]

every furloughee has an expectation of a pilot position at the carrier from which they were furloughed. Making them no longer furloughees. Right?

Right. They have an expectation of a pilot position. What position would that be? It's the one at the very bottom. The least desirable. The lowest paid one. The most JUNIOR position.

And by the way, the carrier from which they were furloughed no longer exists. It was merged with another carrier into a new entity. So those furloughees should be happy that the new company honors their rightful position back at the bottom where they came from. Not ahead of gainfully employed, uninterrupted service, never furloughed employees.

 

[Injunction junction]

Sorry, my friendly girl, but, every furloughee has an expectation of a pilot position at the carrier from which they were furloughed. Otherwise, they would, and, should, sign away their "seniority rights" and get on with their lives. Making them no longer furloughees. Right?

Really? Thats the problem with you then, you expect things for which you are not always entitled. That was by leaps and bounds the dumbest post you have ever made. I do however have to consider the source and remember that its a CLOWN who's posting.

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[eastcoast]

Why don't you let management decide what is "cost prohibitive" or not? What, exactly, do you know about it? It seems your desire to be in the left seat has overcome your possible reasoning capabilities.

Another post laced with emotion and little basis in fact.

I will be happy to let management decide what is cost prohibitive. Let me put this in simple terms for you. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the amount of money necessary to get 100% of the west pilots to accept DOH (hence avoid the liability of a hybrid DFR II) is far MORE than the amount of money required to get 51% of us to accept Nic.

Your last comment makes absolutely no sense. What does my desire to be in the left seat have to do with anything? My opinion on the subject actually disadvantages my position in the left seat. I just don't believe that the disadvantage is as draconian as many say, and it doesn't outweigh the benefit of a decent contract. If you want to try to insult someone, at least say something that makes sense.

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

And by the way, the carrier from which they were furloughed no longer exists. It was merged with another carrier into a new entity.

Ow, ow. Let us go there.

Let me see here, USAir, gone, Asse & Whackjobs, gone.

New carrier. What is the standard for ordering new hires? Date of birth? Sure you want to go there?

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

I will be happy to let management decide what is cost prohibitive.

Then, you should not have said anything, right? Unless you are a shill for management.

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

Really? Thats the problem with you then, you expect things for which you are not always entitled. That was by leaps and bounds the dumbest post you have ever made. I do however have to consider the source and remember that its a CLOWN who's posting.

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Except, I was never a furloughee. Ass.

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

I will be happy to let management decide what is cost prohibitive.

But, you did not. You are commenting outside what management has actually said. You are a liar. Period.

Let me put this in simple terms for you. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the amount of money necessary to get 100% of the west pilots to accept DOH (hence avoid the liability of a hybrid DFR II) is far MORE than the amount of money required to get 51% of us to accept Nic.

Do try to put some actual numbers on the table rather than just speculation.

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

If you want to try to insult someone, at least say something that makes sense.

You do a great job of insulting yourself, I, really, don't have to do anything.

 

[Injunction junction]

Except, I was never a furloughee. Ass.

Ohhh I hit a nerve huh clown? Ok good for you and just made my point with your statement. The furloughee's EXPECT to get super seniority at the expense of west pilots. Clowns always make me laugh and there is no one better at the job than usloppy.

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[Pi brat]

You had you illegal fence and you had better pray that there is no damages suit to follow.

Illegal fence. Where do you guys get this stuff? Your lawyers? Go read the transition agreement and you will find that only is it not illegal, it is required by the document that all three parties signed.

 

[Pi brat]

A solution that is not the Nic and does not harm the west would be cost prohibitive. DOH with so many restrictions and high enough pay raise for the west to just give up. With their resolve and the legal wind at their back, I doubt that would be attainable.



No. If we get a contract with the Nic (assuming it is because of the declaratory judgement) and it doesn't pass, the ball goes back to the company to sweeten the deal until it passes. The other sections would have to be changed. Not section 22.



A DOH contract (absent my first point of a hugely expensive carrot) will certainly trigger DFR II. I think we all agree on that. So based on past performance it is more likely than not that DFR II would be successful. Not a given by any means, but probable. And that's also assuming the DJ was unsuccessful, since we would not even get to a DOH section 22 without the company being released from responsibility. USAPA might be willing to throw caution to the wind and move forward, but the company will not.



If the company played hardball with us, they could threaten BK#3 and shutter us unless we accept their terms. (basically what SWA threatened Air Tran pilots)

But the bottom line of this discussion is a choice between DOH with a contract that does not harm the west (and would pass with 100% since only one pilot can file DFR II), or Nic with a contract that is acceptable to 51% of us on the east. Given those two choices, the more likely, less costly scenario is Nic with a decent contract.

So the company cannot afford a contract that doesn't include the Nic, but if we turn down a contract that includes the Nic the company can afford to to sweeten it enough to make it pass? That's some logic there.

You know how certain people say that USAPA cannot say for sure that a Nic inclusive contract will pass? The courts seemed to use the same logic with the company when they said they never tried to negotiate this away.

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

The furloughee's EXPECT to get super seniority at the expense of west pilots.

Wrong. Sorry your fears (I hope) over ride your (normally) rational impulse. Do the numbers and publish the facts. Good luck "proving" your whim.

 

[Injunction junction]

Illegal fence. Where do you guys get this stuff? Your lawyers? Go read the transition agreement and you will find that only is it not illegal, it is required by the document that all three parties signed.

Hahahaha you clowns are a riot. You want to pick and choose which agreements you will honor. The document all three parties signed ALSO STATED THAT BINDING ARBITRATION would be used for the seniority integration as well but I guess you missed that part of the TA huh? I also recall nothing in any agreement about fences. The east set up and illegal fence that may cost ya some money we will see. Clowns are so funny.

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