US Pilots Labor Discussion

[aquagreen73s]

For those who support USAPA could you comment on the information in italics below? Thanks.

To recap, for those of you who missed the first couple of episodes of "the Real Airline Pilots of Charlotte":

First the union sues 18 of its own members, and appeals when it is thrown out of court, only to be thrown out again. Then the union sues the company. The company then sues the union. Then the union sues its lawyer. Now the lawyer is suing the union.

The union vice president is first sleeping with one of the lawyers, but is now living with her. She is fired by the lawyers for sleeping with the union officer (client). The union fires the lawyers. The union hires new lawyers, and the fired lawyer who is sleeping with the union officer now works for the new lawyers.

Meanwhile, the union hires yet more lawyers to "audit" the billing statements of the first lawyers, presumably in an effort to discover grounds to sue the original lawyers.

The "new" lawyers say the original lawyers created a "mess", and now are preparing to defend against the suit filed by the company against the union.

All the while....the CBA negotiations are stagnant, except the three sections completed, and the new lawyers also have to keep the union from violating a Federal Injunction against the union. BUT...in the interest of representing the membership, the union pushes a proposal across the table costing $1.2B, and seems flabbergasted the company laughed all the way out of the room.

They'll never answer it, so let me put my two cents in.

All we in the West had to do is to outrun USAPA. We're still standing despite having Prater, the RLA and the company in the back pocket of the East. What's astonishing is how a group of grown men can totally misplay every card they were dealt. Incredible.

Got popcorn?

 

[Pi brat]

That's what explains the stunned silence from the rank and file uSAPians - they know what $eham is capable of with his scorched Earth strategy.

Also, isn't it curious that all of this was going on for more than two months yet nobody knew about it except for Mowery and Cleary? Hmmm....Ever wonder where LOA93 is? Hmmmm.....

I heard the above John Doe suit was dropped, is that true?

 

[aquagreen73s]

I heard the above John Doe suit was dropped, is that true?

Yes, by Lee Seham "without prejudice" meaning he can file it again.

This is getting good!

 

[Phoenix]

Would you care to identify your self to me? I bet not...that would take courage. Hey, but what is it like to be wrong? Why don't you post facts versus rambling with meaningless comments.

I have provided you phone numbers to call via personal message on several occasions... did you have the courage to call them?! Did you have the decency to order a pizza when they answered?

 

[Pi brat]

I believe you need to read the company's opening statement and look at the exhibits. I posted part of the company's testimony for you.



Clearly senior management at both airlines were disappointed in their inability to complete the deal and the potential or maybe even the liklihood of another deal could be just over the horizon.

You did indeed post the COMPANY'S statement. Hmm, they don't want any change to LOA 93. Shocker.Why didn't you post the other side's right below it? You want to put all viewpoint out there, right?

I'm currently reading Brookman's testimony so I will get back to you if I see the smoking gun that you do. Let me ask you this: Brookman was sworn in, so if he lied couldn't he be charged with perjury? Has he been?

As for UA, who knows what happened but I believe Goodwin finally figured out the Wolf got the better of him and this was not a good deal for UA. I never thought it was.

Another one right over the horizon? Yeah, maybe but I doubt it within several years.

 

[Pi brat]

Yes, by Lee Seham "without prejudice" meaning he can file it again.

This is getting good!

Was that little tidbit shared on the last few pages of gnashing of teeth? Sure he can, or he can file a new one. It think a lot of folks are a little prematurely excited. Is there not enough out there already to help you rise?

And the popcorn. I really don't get that. If you were part of a blended family and your step siblings were taking a bat to one another, would you eat popcorn? That's a little twisted.

What happened to you the other night? You dropped off without answering my questions. Had to pick a little extra time from the board?

 

[aquagreen73s]

Was that little tidbit shared on the last few pages of gnashing of teeth? Sure he can, or he can file a new one. It think a lot of folks are a little prematurely excited. Is there not enough out there already to help you rise?

And the popcorn. I really don't get that. If you were part of a blended family and your step siblings were taking a bat to one another, would you eat popcorn? That's a little twisted.

What happened to you the other night? You dropped off without answering my questions. Had to pick a little extra time from the board?

You guys never cease to amaze!

Just a thought, that light you're seeing at the end of the tunnel....don't move. Stay where you're at! You'll be fine!

 

[Pi brat]

Was that little tidbit shared on the last few pages of gnashing of teeth? Sure he can, or he can file a new one. It think a lot of folks are a little prematurely excited. Is there not enough out there already to help you rise?

And the popcorn. I really don't get that. If you were part of a blended family and your step siblings were taking a bat to one another, would you eat popcorn? That's a little twisted.

What happened to you the other night? You dropped off without answering my questions. Had to pick a little extra time from the board?

I finished Brookman's testimony. I see a lot of tap dancing, but nothing that I would say is flat out a lie. Again, I don't know him, so I have no basis to call him a liar about what he says he remembers.

Again, what about Donn B.? What do you think of his testimony? Wouldn't you say that he has more experience and credibility than Brookman on contract negotiations and interpretation? Brookman had no part in forming LOA 93 and as I remember, no past experience in the area. He came to his position late in the game. You have constantly stated that the RC4 (not sure if he was in that group, but certainly shared their views)could not be trusted, but you put full faith in his then understanding?

I'm sorry USA320, but your constant stream of "could be's" "what if's" etc have been come a joke. It's a little late to take you seriously now.

 

[88 B.T.D.]

"The amendable date of LOA 93 is December 31, 2009. There are no snap backs or provisions for the pilot group to recoup any contractual provisions, benefits, or pay during the next five years, and realistically, under the provisions of the Railway Labor Act, it may take up to two additional years to negotiate any changes to the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
Click here to read the transcript.

 

[Pi brat]

You guys never cease to amaze!

Just a thought, that light you're seeing at the end of the tunnel....don't move. Stay where you're at! You'll be fine!

Great answer!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bravo!!!!!!!!!!

Do people actually pay you to represent them?

 

[aquagreen73s]

Great answer!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bravo!!!!!!!!!!

Do people actually pay you to represent them?

People that are mentally sane, yes.

 

[Pi brat]

Here's USA320's original link and Brookman's testimony starts on pg 644 for those that want to read it.

http://www.unbiasedfacts.org/LOA93GrievanceTranscript.pdf

 

[Pi brat]

People that are mentally sane, yes.

Well, you are in CA, right?................

Why not just answer my questions?

 

[eastcoast]

why don't you enlighten us and tell us why it is so honorable that the westies take our attrition?

It's not, and they don't. Nic accounted for our attrition. It's you and those like you who want ALL the attrition, including theirs.

 

[Pi brat]

Nic accounted for our attrition. It's you and those like you who want ALL the attrition, including theirs.

Well, he did and he didn't. Of course he didn't staple us, but moving forward there are large numbers of east pilots whose relative % drops steeply with the Nic vs. east stand alone, while the west has many that receive that and their relative position moves up, Nic vs. west stand alone.

That's a fact. Maybe Nic thought that was the fair thing to do, but it does happen.

Do you know this guy well enough to really say he wants ALL the west attrition?