US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Injunction junction]

Well, I looked at the post your were addressing and didn't see him stating many "facts". Most of what is debated on here is either opinions or someones self proclaimed "facts". I will go back and look at the post and see if I read it differently now.

Pi, this is what this person said which would indicate that he knew of things took place during this meeting. Now like I said to you several times, I am not a lair nor do I gain a thing by starting now. This statement he has made never took place.


Oh, by the way; which one of your trusted advisors are giving you direction now? Is it the same one that advised you on walking out on Wye River and telling us to stick it way back then? Is so...what do they say about the same issue expecting different results?

V

Injunction

 

[Move2CLT]

Oh, by the way; which one of your trusted advisors are giving you direction now? Is it the same one that advised you on walking out on Wye River and telling us to stick it way back then? Is so...what do they say about the same issue expecting different results?

V

I wonder who the east's advisor was that told them to pull out of negotiations and go with arbitration? LMAO.

 

[Pi brat]

Actually, he did Pi. One reason why Eric gets so much east traffic is because he is honest and straight with them.

They ask him about Leonidas, Addingtion, and address gate. He tells them the stuff Theur doesn't let him put out via USAPA.

And he does specifically tell them that he will support Cleary in the next election. You'll see that recommendation via Leonidas as well,in which Eric is still active.

I make that a point as well. Cleary is the best thing to happen for the west. Egomaniacal, self-centered, and overly emotional.

Perfect.

So I imagine the conversation going something like this:

"Oh captain east, I'm sure you hate Cleary, but we love him over here, he's the best thing going for the west"
"Really? So, you guys are going to help re-elect him?"
"Absolutely pardner! Like I said, he is best for west?"
"Well, he will be in office for three more years. So, if things go like you plan and you wrap things up in April, what then? We still have to get a joint contract, do you see him be best for the west then?"
"Don't worry about that captain east, we have that allll figured out, just trust us. And btw, do you have our address so you can send us a check?"

Something like that?

 

[Pi brat]

Pi, this is what this person said which would indicate that he knew of things took place during this meeting. Now like I said to you several times, I am not a lair nor do I gain a thing by starting now. This statement he has made never took place.


Oh, by the way; which one of your trusted advisors are giving you direction now? Is it the same one that advised you on walking out on Wye River and telling us to stick it way back then? Is so...what do they say about the same issue expecting different results?

V

Injunction

Well, I took that as hyperbole, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt that in your shoes, it meant more.

 

[Code Name V]

Please dont try and change the subject to something that its not. YOU made claims about event that took place during meetings between east and west that did not actually happen. I know for a fact that you were not present at any of these meetings. The claims you have made never ever took place. If you were in attendance than that make you a liar!

Now let me make one more thing crystal clear to you sir, unless you posses the ability to see into and predict the future with absolute certainty, you can NOT claim we will be separate ops forever. I say put your money where your mouth is and lets present a TA to the pilots with the NIC and see if it will pass. There is simply no harm in doing so if you believe you are correct now is there?

Injunction

No intentional lies here. Was I present at Wye river. No. Do I believe everything I read. No. Do I believe Wye river had a purpose of 'negotiation'. Yes. Do I believe ALPA recommended the West hold their ground because the survey indicated they believed they wouldn't get the votes to be thrown out. Yes. Can I say for certainty that we will be separate ops forever. No. Do I have the opinion that we will be separate ops forever or sold off separately. Yes. Do I think we should put out a vote that contains the Nic. Of course not. First, as I said; it violates the Bylaws so before you could even consider such a thing you would have to change them. Second, there is NO benefit to the east in doing so. Tell you what, why don't you guys spring for another ALPA sponsored survey to get your 'unbiased' answer...;

Hope that helps.

V

 

[Pi brat]

Pi, Eric's number is in the USAPA directory. Why don't you call him directly. He returns each and every call and he's on paid vacation right now.

I used to talk to another AOLer quite regularly and was flat out lied to, so no thanks, I will just let thing play out.

 

[Move2CLT]

So I imagine the conversation going something like this:

"Oh captain east, I'm sure you hate Cleary, but we love him over here, he's the best thing going for the west"
"Really? So, you guys are going to help re-elect him?"
"Absolutely pardner! Like I said, he is best for west?"
"Well, he will be in office for three more years. So, if things go like you plan and you wrap things up in April, what then? We still have to get a joint contract, do you see him be best for the west then?"
"Don't worry about that captain east, we have that allll figured out, just trust us. And btw, do you have our address so you can send us a check?"

Something like that?

Call him yourself.

 

[Move2CLT]

I used to talk to another AOLer quite regularly and was flat out lied to, so no thanks, I will just let thing play out.

Oh, I get it now. If you don't like what you hear, call him a liar and then run away.

Now thats the Pi I know.

 

[Move2CLT]

So I imagine the conversation going something like this:

"Oh captain east, I'm sure you hate Cleary, but we love him over here, he's the best thing going for the west"
"Really? So, you guys are going to help re-elect him?"
"Absolutely pardner! Like I said, he is best for west?"
"Well, he will be in office for three more years. So, if things go like you plan and you wrap things up in April, what then? We still have to get a joint contract, do you see him be best for the west then?"
"Don't worry about that captain east, we have that allll figured out, just trust us. And btw, do you have our address so you can send us a check?"

Something like that?

Yes, that's pretty much it.

Until you figure out the Nic is it, we're going to make you sleep in that USAPA bed you made.

Cleary, he's the gift that keeps n giving.

Congrats.

 

[Pi brat]

Oh, I get it now. If you don't like what you hear, call him a liar and then run away.

Now thats the Pi I know.

How many time do I have to call you on pulling stuff out of your rear?

I caught the guy in a lie, it really didn't have anything to do with if I wanted to hear it or not as what it was over was irrelevant. I don't trust him. After hearing EF say he would vote for Cleary, with the logic he gave for it, I don't trust him. Just the way it is.

 

[Pi brat]

Until you figure out the Nic is it, we're going to make you sleep in that USAPA bed you made.

Cleary, he's the gift that keeps n giving.

Congrats.

There you go again pulling stuff out. Don't you get tired of the smell?

How many times have I said that the Nic may very well be it? Don't remember? Don't believe me? Ask an eastie that my statements have riled.

You and pre are related, right?

 

[Move2CLT]

How many time do I have to call you on pulling stuff out of your rear?

I caught the guy in a lie, it really didn't have anything to do with if I wanted to hear it or not as what it was over was irrelevant. I don't trust him. After hearing EF say he would vote for Cleary, with the logic he gave for it, I don't trust him. Just the way it is.

Like I said, you made your bed and you'll sleep in it until you figure things out.

In the mean time, we'll make sure Cleary keeps you as polarized as possible. That is his purpose in our eyes. With you guys so f'ed up, there is nothing productive you can do to help yourselves.

Once you figure things out, it'll be a different story.

Until then, Cleary can continue with his rampage.

 

[Claxon]

I move that the above is labeled most hypocritical post of the year.

Anyone second that?

I move that is the most intuitive post yet this year. Parker and his Franke minions have fattened the bottom line off their employees for years. This is just one more Ponzi scheme he has tried, soon to be terminated. He has scammed the western for years with bottom wages and benefits. Now he is trying his evil craft on the eastern and they are going to be successful in stopping him dead in his tracks.
Enjoyed our chat at the get together, you are much more moderate in person, and your views on the integration ideas not so strong.

 

[Move2CLT]

Interesting bit of info regarding Seham's case:


...But I did a little research anyways to find out of Mowrey could be held liable INDIVIDUALLY because I doubt Seham will sue USAPA. The answer - IMHO - is YES - he can be individually



In fact, USAPA needs to assert this as a defense - that it was an act clearly outside the scope of his position as an officer of USAPA and therefore liability flows entirely to the individual and not the entity. They'll have to argue that the act was done in a place and perhaps a time other than during his day as union VP. Even if those are the facts (don't know but I'm sure we'll find out soon enough!), my hunch is that $eham pursues both the individual and the entity all the while pursuing what he believes is the remaining balanced owed to SSM&P.

 

[traderjake]

You want to say that to me personally Jake? We can get together some time and talk about it. When we flew together, I explained my position on a variety and you agreed with me on a lot of issues, the lump sum payout comes to mind. You said you had never heard my POV and after hearing it agreed with me.

You know who I am and where I work.

Feel free to identify yourself anytime you want.

I do remember a conversation like that but can't put a face to it.

You are deceiving yourself if you think it's ok to renege on a mutually agreed upon arbitration or if you think that four arbitrators in a row got it wrong.