US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Pi brat]

You know who I am and where I work.

Feel free to identify yourself anytime you want.

I do remember a conversation like that but can't put a face to it.

You are deceiving yourself if you think it's ok to renege on a mutually agreed upon arbitration or if you think that four arbitrators in a row got it wrong.

I will look for you. Hopefully we can fly together again, but probably not as you can fly a lot better trip than I usually do. I just find it interesting that your tone is different than when we flew together and that you parrot things about me from the like of prechil that do not apply. You need to stop making blanket statements about your east co-workers.

 

[Reed Richards]

Interesting bit of info regarding Seham's case:


...But I did a little research anyways to find out of Mowrey could be held liable INDIVIDUALLY because I doubt Seham will sue USAPA. The answer - IMHO - is YES - he can be individually



In fact, USAPA needs to assert this as a defense - that it was an act clearly outside the scope of his position as an officer of USAPA and therefore liability flows entirely to the individual and not the entity. They'll have to argue that the act was done in a place and perhaps a time other than during his day as union VP. Even if those are the facts (don't know but I'm sure we'll find out soon enough!), my hunch is that $eham pursues both the individual and the entity all the while pursuing what he believes is the remaining balanced owed to SSM&P.

Starting to like the new and improved Move2CLT. Maybe the time in the cornfield, a few beers with the Easties, and a well deserved shave(?) did you good.

RR

 

[Injunction junction]

No intentional lies here. Was I present at Wye river. No. Do I believe everything I read. No. Do I believe Wye river had a purpose of 'negotiation'. Yes. Do I believe ALPA recommended the West hold their ground because the survey indicated they believed they wouldn't get the votes to be thrown out. Yes. Can I say for certainty that we will be separate ops forever. No. Do I have the opinion that we will be separate ops forever or sold off separately. Yes. Do I think we should put out a vote that contains the Nic. Of course not. First, as I said; it violates the Bylaws so before you could even consider such a thing you would have to change them. Second, there is NO benefit to the east in doing so. Tell you what, why don't you guys spring for another ALPA sponsored survey to get your 'unbiased' answer...;

Hope that helps.

V

Ok now allow me to help you . At no time did alpa ever advise us to hold any ground. What alpa did was placate to the desire of the east in complete violation of the merger policy. What was ask by national was if we would in any way entertain ideas of altering the award.

Now unless my knowledge of the law is incorrect which I do not think that it is, the court will not offer indemnity to LCC. The lack of that indemnity will force the companies hand in this matter. In other words V Lcc will not violate the TA. They will have to honor the Nic agreement and I THINK (my opinion only) that there will be enough in that to push for an vote on a TA. I know you dont like this situation and that I can and will respect but its time to move V as we both are the loser if this continues.

Injunction

 

[Move2CLT]

Starting to like the new and improved Move2CLT. Maybe the time in the cornfield, a few beers with the Easties, and a well deserved shave(?) did you good.

RR

No change here boo boo. It seems that in the last few days you guys are starting to figure things out. You've got eastie beating on eastie here, easties who hate Cleary, easties who are sick of USAPA, easties who want a new contract even if it's with the Nic, and Seham suing easties.

Life is good and i don't have much to interject. Breeze is gone as are many of the other tiresome east posters do I have little else to do but keep Pi in check.

Oh, and I never left.

 

[traderjake]

I just find it interesting that your tone is different than when we flew together and that you parrot things about me from the like of prechil that do not apply. You need to stop making blanket statements about your east co-workers.

The comment was not directed at you specifically, it was for USAPA supporters in general.

 

[Res Judicata]

Yes, that's pretty much it.

Until you figure out the Nic is it, we're going to make you sleep in that USAPA bed you made.

Cleary, he's the gift that keeps n giving.

Congrats.

exactly. We aren't so much voting for Cleary...just his Mental Illness.

 

[Reed Richards]

Ok now allow me to help you . At no time did alpa ever advise us to hold any ground. What alpa did was placate to the desire of the east in complete violation of the merger policy. What was ask by national was if we would in any way entertain ideas of altering the award.

Now unless my knowledge of the law is incorrect which I do not think that it is, the court will not offer indemnity to LCC. The lack of that indemnity will force the companies hand in this matter. In other words V Lcc will not violate the TA. They will have to honor the Nic agreement and I THINK (my opinion only) that there will be enough in that to push for an vote on a TA. I know you dont like this situation and that I can and will respect but its time to move V as we both are the loser if this continues.

Injunction

How does the Company "force" a vote on a TA that vilolates the CBL of USAPA? We would first have to vote to alter the CBL, only then could it go out.

Folks have been calling for a vote for years, but how does it happen? I don't think any court is going to force a vote, and if it did the vote would be delayed for years on appeal.

RR

 

[Move2CLT]

exactly. We aren't so much voting for Cleary...just his Mental Illness.

Spot f'in on!!

LMAO.

 

[Code Name V]

Ok now allow me to help you . At no time did alpa ever advise us to hold any ground. What alpa did was placate to the desire of the east in complete violation of the merger policy. What was ask by national was if we would in any way entertain ideas of altering the award.

Now unless my knowledge of the law is incorrect which I do not think that it is, the court will not offer indemnity to LCC. The lack of that indemnity will force the companies hand in this matter. In other words V Lcc will not violate the TA. They will have to honor the Nic agreement and I THINK (my opinion only) that there will be enough in that to push for an vote on a TA. I know you dont like this situation and that I can and will respect but its time to move V as we both are the loser if this continues.

Injunction

Thank you for your polite comments and reply.

V

 

[Pi brat]

The comment was not directed at you specifically, it was for USAPA supporters in general.

Okay, thanks for clearing that up, but I'm a US Airways pilot supporter. I support USAPA to the extent that it is the legally elected CBA of US Airways pilots and what we have to deal with, not for individual purposes or personalities. I'm not happy with a lot of what has happened inside and outside of the union, but decided it was better to try and work from within. I can't tell you if it has done any good, but that was my thinking.

 

[Pi brat]

exactly. We aren't so much voting for Cleary...just his Mental Illness.

That has to be one of the stupidest statements I have ever seen on here...............

 

[Pi brat]

Spot f'in on!!

LMAO.

Second stupidest post...........Res, pre and uhaul...triplets? 🙂

 

[traderjake]

Okay, thanks for clearing that up, but I'm a US Airways pilot supporter. I support USAPA to the extent that it is the legally elected CBA of US Airways pilots and what we have to deal with, not for individual purposes or personalities. I'm not happy with a lot of what has happened inside and outside of the union, but decided it was better to try and work from within. I can't tell you if it has done any good, but that was my thinking.

My fault for making my comments too vague.

 

[Move2CLT]

That has to be one of the stupidest statements I have ever seen on here...............

Maybe to a small minded person…

…but to the west it's spot on.

Cleary has small-mans disease. It's his way or the highway. He keeps you guys so polarized and fighting each other that you can't focus on anything.

You're unproductive and ineffective because of him.

 

[A320 Driver]

exactly. We aren't so much voting for Cleary...just his Mental Illness.

This is why things don't get better with USAPA. You vote your hatred instead of your common sense.

Driver <_<