US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Injunction junction]

When or if the Nic is ruled to be the only usable integrated seniority list, I wouldn't be surprised to see USAPA take a different tack in contract negotiations - it's been mentioned occasionally here. With Nic firmly established, I'd anticipate that everything in the contract based on seniority would be proposed to be based of DOH or LOS instead. Pay rates - a 25-30 year scale for each seat based on DOH/LOS. Equipment and monthly bids - awarded by DOH/LOS. Vacation - DOH/LOS. Etc. Basically, the west would get their place on the Nic list - a seniority number - but that number wouldn't be any good for anything.
Jim

That kind of end run keeps usloppy out of DFR how now?? They have a duty to fairly represent all not just the east and a move like that could be seen as unfair from the very onset. I say go for it though because the money on that move would come from LCC.

Injunction

 

[prechilill]

Fine by me.

Me2 Brah!

 

[Beancounter]

That's an absurd idea and just another way of saying NIC or nothing and you know it.

Driver <_<

Yes, that is absurd, but no more absurd than DOH. That mantra has lasted how long???? and gotten us how far?????

 

[Injunction junction]

That's an absurd idea and just another way of saying NIC or nothing and you know it.

Driver <_<

Give that man a cigar

Injunction

 

[OTTER574]

That kind of end run keeps usloppy out of DFR how now?? They have a duty to fairly represent all not just the east and a move like that could be seen as unfair from the very onset. I say go for it though because the money on that move would come from LCC.

Injunction

I say let the company and the corrupt usapa's brain trust try this. Numbers on the street and my hired lawyers stated this is an easy $3 billion dollar payout lawsuit win to the west pilots for the company collusion with usapa and a very well known hybrid DFR.

OTTER

 

[prechilill]

I say let the company and the corrupt usapa's brain trust try this. Numbers on the street and my hired lawyers stated this is an easy $3 billion dollar payout lawsuit win to the west pilots for the company collusion with usapa and a very well known hybrid DFR.

OTTER

Let it roll baby, this is just gettin' good! Let's give 'em as much rope as they want.

 

[Beancounter]

I don't think you understand just how much of a complete job theft DOH is against the West. That or you think the C&Rs actually protect the West.

The West is much better off with seperate ops and the TAs fleet mins, than we are allowing DOH on this property.

I say we're better off seperate ops, than we are even with the NIC. I'm not saying that becasue I want the east remaining underpaid under LOA93. I'm saying that because once we're one, PHX will shrink and I don't want to live out east. To add to that the NAC is negotiating a contract that is worse than our current west contract. Where is our incentive? I'm sorry I just don't see one. Best of luck to all.

 

[OTTER574]

I say we're better off seperate ops, than we are even with the NIC. I'm not saying that becasue I want the east remaining underpaid under LOA93. I'm saying that because once we're one, PHX will shrink and I don't want to live out east. To add to that the NAC is negotiating a contract that is worse than our current west contract. Where is our incentive? I'm sorry I just don't see one. Best of luck to all.

Separate ops works for now but the company has the upper hand with the nmb (usapa parked), injunction(Judge Conrad) and a sorry usapa this is what Judge Silver states I (lcc) can do regarding the Transitional Agreement.

OTTER

 

[fatherabraham]

I say we're better off seperate ops, than we are even with the NIC. I'm not saying that becasue I want the east remaining underpaid under LOA93. I'm saying that because once we're one, PHX will shrink and I don't want to live out east. To add to that the NAC is negotiating a contract that is worse than our current west contract. Where is our incentive? I'm sorry I just don't see one. Best of luck to all.

bean counter,
thanks for 1st reasonable west statement I've read in way too long!
I think the relative junior at both pre merged groups stand to gain or lose the most on any final decision. We all know the Nic east-west opinions. Keep in mind that I expect my current cba to fairly represent the East junior as well as the west junior. IMO if Nic was implemented by Usapa then the junior east have an equally valid argument with Dfr. So round and round we go!
Therefore, I as well hope the 2 never integrate and let the chips fall where they may.
fa

 

[aquagreen73s]

IMO if Nic was implemented by Usapa then the junior east have an equally valid argument with Dfr.

The Nicolau is an arbitration but according to you, an arbitration is a DFR.

Are you seriously that clueless?

 

[OTTER574]

bean counter,
thanks for 1st reasonable west statement I've read in way too long!
I think the relative junior at both pre merged groups stand to gain or lose the most on any final decision. We all know the Nic east-west opinions. Keep in mind that I expect my current cbl to fairly represent the East junior as well as the west junior. IMO if Nic was implemented by Usapa then the junior east have an equally valid argument with Dfr. So round and round we go!
Therefore, I as well hope the 2 never integrate and let the chips fall where they may.
fa

Sorry father...your after-the-fact made up CBL's don't mean squat concerning this. (NIC) Even your beloved lee seham stated this in front of the 9th when questioned from Judge Graber concerning union's cbl's.

But please, by all means sue (DFR) your current CBA for honoring it's LEGAL CONTRACT agreements with lcc per the TA.

I can't wait for the laughter from the Judge in a Federal Court room if you decide to file a DFR. LMAO

OTTER

 

[fatherabraham]

The Nicolau is an arbitration but according to you, an arbitration is a DFR.

Are you seriously that clueless?

aqua and any other prolific west posters,
Have zero need to reply to ur kind. So feel free to puff your egos up with insulting last word 🙂
fa

 

[Black Swan]

I know where you can find the LOA93 result - it's in the same desk drawer where $eham's lawsuit was sitting for the past 6 weeks and nobody outside of Mowery and Cleary knew about it.

You are funny Aqua! I am stocking up on popcorn. Dec 1st is going to be interesting isn't it!

 

[Black Swan]

aqua and any other prolific west posters,
Have zero need to reply to ur kind. So feel free to puff your egos up with insulting last word 🙂
fa

Aqua is more than a mere poster. Tune in Dec 1st.

 

[aquagreen73s]

aqua and any other prolific west posters,
Have zero need to reply to ur kind. So feel free to puff your egos up with insulting last word 🙂
fa

It's all about shining the light on absolute absurdity. What you said is no different than saying that it's illegal to enforce contracts or it's illegal to collect a debt. Are you kidding me? The Nicolau is a binding arbitration. What planet are you on?