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Still hanging on to the Republic buys the west fantasy?
Good for you. Keeps you off the bottle.
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Good for you. Keeps you off the bottle.
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About 20% of the east and the west and you have a ratified contract.
No problemo. Cleary has been getting many calls from fed up easties looking for a contract.
It'll happen sooner rather than later.
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In your dreams. Funny that I see no westie here saying that. And forget about the class representatives saying that - they're your "Nic or die" equivalent on the west side. On the other hand, some of the east "DOH or die" disciples are talking about finding solutions...even Cleary...
It appears that you have east and west mixed up...
Jim
Funny too how only the easties are begging for mediation.
Ah...bipity, bopity, boo...it's done. Got it. I will put that in my bs predictions file.
Did you happen to catch the latest NAC update? Do you watch the crew news sessions? Track oil prices, our earnings and/or stock price?
How about a definition of "sooner rather than later" for the record?
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Your NAC updates are as worthless as the comprehensive proposal you guys put out.
I watch the crew news to see easties beg for parity and wear pink shirts while waving a bible in the air and making hypocritical statements. Worthless otherwise.
Under two years.
And go learn something in the 5 airlines thread.
I watch the crew news to see easties beg for parity and wear pink shirts while waving a bible in the air and making hypocritical statements. Worthless otherwise.
Under two years.
And go learn something in the 5 airlines thread.
Noted.
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No. I'm waiting for the CLT bid to come out first before the move.
You still in to help?
Absolutely, but can you and pre coordinate your dates. Remember, I'm old and may need a little break between the two, especially with those hills around AVL.
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No hills in Davidson.
Geez, I'm the old guy yet you can't keep up. Pre wants to go to AVL, and the are hills there. Study up on NC a little before you get here, okay?
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Ah, I got you. I missed your date with pre and feel badly that I may be over scheduling you.
Don't worry though, there's a few bucks in it for you to make up for all the pay you gave up these past few years.
Don't worry though, there's a few bucks in it for you to make up for all the pay you gave up these past few years.
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Swani , you think a few phone calls by Cleary to west pilots is going to do the trick?
So why is it Cleary wants compromise yet submits a DOH list in the comprehensive proposal?
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Communications Committee Chairman's Update: November 17, 2011
Fellow pilots,
It has been quite a long time since I have communicated to you directly; my job is to work in the background, facilitating communications within the union. Those of you who know me know that I have dedicated the last 4 1/2 years to the development and support of an independent union for the US Airways pilots. A few months ago, in accordance with the Union Operating Manual (UOM), I notified the Secretary-Treasurer, who in turn notified the Board, that I was working on medical status. At the time I was hopeful that the situation was temporary; it has, however, become apparent that it is not. With this in mind, and in consideration of the limitations in the UOM regarding working on MED status and the eventual transition they require, after substantial thought and mixed emotions I have decided to resign my position of Communications Chairman for USAPA, effective December 1, 2011. President Cleary notified the Board of my decision during the BPR telephonic meeting on Tuesday. Having broken that news, I'd like to give you my opinion one last time regarding the state of the union and your part in it. I don't mean the following to be negative; I'm simply going to call it as I see it.
First, I continue to support the direction of this union. As the last USAPA founder still working full-time (giving absolute due deference and a tip of the hat to Captain Steve "Spike" Szpyrka, PHL Domicile Chairman, who was here before I), I can tell you that we envisioned a tough, no-nonsense union that would finally stop capitulating; one that would instead draw a line in the sand with the Company and stand up for the professional pilots that work here - both to defend them and to attempt to regain the pay and working conditions the job description demands. (This required the ousting of our previous bargaining agent; a conflicted, national union that routinely capitulated.) And this is exactly what we have done, and are still doing.
Regretfully, there are those who, while they said they supported the direction in theory, when it really comes down to it have proven they don't have the backbone to stick together and remember who the real adversary is. Instead, they sit at home on their computers slamming out derogatory newsletters, web board postings and blog updates; screaming from their soapboxes with criticism for all and actual solutions for none; creating fiction and division instead of standing by their fellow pilots in unity to work towards a better life. They don't perform actual union work because they're too lazy and/or they want to be in charge; all chiefs and no indians. They're desperately hoping you're not really paying attention so that they can capture you with innuendo, gossip and allegations. While we have some pilots near the poverty line, pilots' widows being denied benefits, pilots struggling on disability with egregious offsets, multiple terminations without just cause, routine compromises on safety and outright theft by the Company (all being fought by the union), these naysayers want you to focus on, for example, volunteers' personal lives, irrelevant relationships and invented conflicts of interest. Their newsletters and web posts read like the National Inquirer: "Read about the latest alien abduction in the USAPA office!!" Incredibly, some are so detached from reality that they blame the union for the very disunity they create. I ask that you ignore the rants from those uninvolved in the actual work; you are doing yourself a disservice every time you read a ranting newsletter rather than simply calling your Rep.
I urge you to remain engaged in your union and educated as to the issues. Attend the meetings. I realize they're boring and it seems like you have better things to do, but see for yourself, attend the meetings! Read the updates. Routinely communicate with your Reps; demand less politics and more unity. I know that none of you elected a new union to fight internally; we certainly saw plenty of that with ALPA, and we've had plenty of time to ponder just where that got us. Contrary to what some have said, no one is a rubber stamp for the President and there is always vigorous internal debate as ideas are flushed out; don't take my or anyone else's word for it - attend the meetings and see for yourself. Agreement with the President is not, by itself, a bad thing, as some would like you to believe: "Read all about it, XYZ Rep agrees with President!!"
Dissention is not the goal, and those that promote it are not representing you. Unity, a new contract, and defense of it - those are the goals.
Dissention does not necessarily prove someone is smarter, or brave enough to voice an alternative opinion, or that the dissenter is doing a better job of standing up for the pilots. Often it simply proves an inability to work with others and come together to find common ground for the betterment of all.
When we first launched this union, we knew it would be hard work, and that it might take a while to make progress in some areas. Of course, there was no way for us to know, even prior to certification, that merger euphoria would so quickly turn into furloughs as we entered one of the deepest recessions in recent memory. Palpable motivation on the Company's part turned, almost overnight, into absolute inflexibility. The fight has been tougher, and gone on longer, than anyone imagined. Winston Churchill said, "If you're going through ****, keep going." The advice is succinct, and intuitive once considered, but some just don't get it. In my opinion, the efforts of most of the Board to stay the course when times are tough, no matter what, are laudable. Some, regrettably not all, understand that unity is the only way we will get to the finish line, and that the Company is counting on division; hoping you will give up and start negotiating against yourself.
Management is hoping we'll continue to squabble over childish, irrelevant issues and not notice that the house is on fire.
So, enough of the pep talk; do with it as you will.
I have worked for quite some time now with Communications Vice Chairman Todd Fieser, and have recommended that he succeed me as Communications Chairman. Todd has been doing a great job in assisting me in Comm for about two years now and I could go on at length about him, but he is reliable, earnest, honest and a true pilot advocate; he works hard and understands the issues. I recommended PHL A330 First Officer Chris Fillar for the position of Vice Chairman of Communications. I have known Chris for almost 26 years, and he stepped-in very capably during our transition to a new Communications Specialist.
Chris is a proactive self-starter; very proficient technically, did a tremendous job with background organizing and training, and will round out the Comm team nicely. I recommended that P4P Vice Chairman Courtney Borman assume the position of P4P Chairman; those that know Courtney know he is as dedicated a union worker as one could possibly hope for. Todd and Courtney recommended that P4P member Glenn Kunkel assume the P4P Vice Chairman position. I have noted on the P4P conference calls, and during other conversations, the seriousness with which Glenn takes his job, and wholeheartedly supported their recommendation. I ask that you welcome all of these pilots as they work for you in their new positions. I can assure you that they, in turn, welcome your input with regard to how the union can better communicate with you.
Righteous battles are rarely easily won; however, no matter the time, effort or sacrifice, in retrospect they are worthwhile and something of which to be proud. Thank you for the opportunity to work for you, and with you, in this righteous cause of independent unionism and improvement of condition. Never give up.
Scott
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Fellow pilots,
It has been quite a long time since I have communicated to you directly; my job is to work in the background, facilitating communications within the union. Those of you who know me know that I have dedicated the last 4 1/2 years to the development and support of an independent union for the US Airways pilots. A few months ago, in accordance with the Union Operating Manual (UOM), I notified the Secretary-Treasurer, who in turn notified the Board, that I was working on medical status. At the time I was hopeful that the situation was temporary; it has, however, become apparent that it is not. With this in mind, and in consideration of the limitations in the UOM regarding working on MED status and the eventual transition they require, after substantial thought and mixed emotions I have decided to resign my position of Communications Chairman for USAPA, effective December 1, 2011. President Cleary notified the Board of my decision during the BPR telephonic meeting on Tuesday. Having broken that news, I'd like to give you my opinion one last time regarding the state of the union and your part in it. I don't mean the following to be negative; I'm simply going to call it as I see it.
First, I continue to support the direction of this union. As the last USAPA founder still working full-time (giving absolute due deference and a tip of the hat to Captain Steve "Spike" Szpyrka, PHL Domicile Chairman, who was here before I), I can tell you that we envisioned a tough, no-nonsense union that would finally stop capitulating; one that would instead draw a line in the sand with the Company and stand up for the professional pilots that work here - both to defend them and to attempt to regain the pay and working conditions the job description demands. (This required the ousting of our previous bargaining agent; a conflicted, national union that routinely capitulated.) And this is exactly what we have done, and are still doing.
Regretfully, there are those who, while they said they supported the direction in theory, when it really comes down to it have proven they don't have the backbone to stick together and remember who the real adversary is. Instead, they sit at home on their computers slamming out derogatory newsletters, web board postings and blog updates; screaming from their soapboxes with criticism for all and actual solutions for none; creating fiction and division instead of standing by their fellow pilots in unity to work towards a better life. They don't perform actual union work because they're too lazy and/or they want to be in charge; all chiefs and no indians. They're desperately hoping you're not really paying attention so that they can capture you with innuendo, gossip and allegations. While we have some pilots near the poverty line, pilots' widows being denied benefits, pilots struggling on disability with egregious offsets, multiple terminations without just cause, routine compromises on safety and outright theft by the Company (all being fought by the union), these naysayers want you to focus on, for example, volunteers' personal lives, irrelevant relationships and invented conflicts of interest. Their newsletters and web posts read like the National Inquirer: "Read about the latest alien abduction in the USAPA office!!" Incredibly, some are so detached from reality that they blame the union for the very disunity they create. I ask that you ignore the rants from those uninvolved in the actual work; you are doing yourself a disservice every time you read a ranting newsletter rather than simply calling your Rep.
I urge you to remain engaged in your union and educated as to the issues. Attend the meetings. I realize they're boring and it seems like you have better things to do, but see for yourself, attend the meetings! Read the updates. Routinely communicate with your Reps; demand less politics and more unity. I know that none of you elected a new union to fight internally; we certainly saw plenty of that with ALPA, and we've had plenty of time to ponder just where that got us. Contrary to what some have said, no one is a rubber stamp for the President and there is always vigorous internal debate as ideas are flushed out; don't take my or anyone else's word for it - attend the meetings and see for yourself. Agreement with the President is not, by itself, a bad thing, as some would like you to believe: "Read all about it, XYZ Rep agrees with President!!"
Dissention is not the goal, and those that promote it are not representing you. Unity, a new contract, and defense of it - those are the goals.
Dissention does not necessarily prove someone is smarter, or brave enough to voice an alternative opinion, or that the dissenter is doing a better job of standing up for the pilots. Often it simply proves an inability to work with others and come together to find common ground for the betterment of all.
When we first launched this union, we knew it would be hard work, and that it might take a while to make progress in some areas. Of course, there was no way for us to know, even prior to certification, that merger euphoria would so quickly turn into furloughs as we entered one of the deepest recessions in recent memory. Palpable motivation on the Company's part turned, almost overnight, into absolute inflexibility. The fight has been tougher, and gone on longer, than anyone imagined. Winston Churchill said, "If you're going through ****, keep going." The advice is succinct, and intuitive once considered, but some just don't get it. In my opinion, the efforts of most of the Board to stay the course when times are tough, no matter what, are laudable. Some, regrettably not all, understand that unity is the only way we will get to the finish line, and that the Company is counting on division; hoping you will give up and start negotiating against yourself.
Management is hoping we'll continue to squabble over childish, irrelevant issues and not notice that the house is on fire.
So, enough of the pep talk; do with it as you will.
I have worked for quite some time now with Communications Vice Chairman Todd Fieser, and have recommended that he succeed me as Communications Chairman. Todd has been doing a great job in assisting me in Comm for about two years now and I could go on at length about him, but he is reliable, earnest, honest and a true pilot advocate; he works hard and understands the issues. I recommended PHL A330 First Officer Chris Fillar for the position of Vice Chairman of Communications. I have known Chris for almost 26 years, and he stepped-in very capably during our transition to a new Communications Specialist.
Chris is a proactive self-starter; very proficient technically, did a tremendous job with background organizing and training, and will round out the Comm team nicely. I recommended that P4P Vice Chairman Courtney Borman assume the position of P4P Chairman; those that know Courtney know he is as dedicated a union worker as one could possibly hope for. Todd and Courtney recommended that P4P member Glenn Kunkel assume the P4P Vice Chairman position. I have noted on the P4P conference calls, and during other conversations, the seriousness with which Glenn takes his job, and wholeheartedly supported their recommendation. I ask that you welcome all of these pilots as they work for you in their new positions. I can assure you that they, in turn, welcome your input with regard to how the union can better communicate with you.
Righteous battles are rarely easily won; however, no matter the time, effort or sacrifice, in retrospect they are worthwhile and something of which to be proud. Thank you for the opportunity to work for you, and with you, in this righteous cause of independent unionism and improvement of condition. Never give up.
Scott
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The only good thing about this jerk's sign off was that he went after easties.
He was hated as in the corporate industry and his mom couldnt get him a job at AWA.
And speaking of his mom, she was hated at AWA as well so I guess the apple doesn't fall far from the tree
And he's another one that hooked up with an office worker and is now shacked up with her out here in Phoenix.
Truly a vile human being who is using the medical excuse to bail on USAPA.
He was hated as in the corporate industry and his mom couldnt get him a job at AWA.
And speaking of his mom, she was hated at AWA as well so I guess the apple doesn't fall far from the tree
And he's another one that hooked up with an office worker and is now shacked up with her out here in Phoenix.
Truly a vile human being who is using the medical excuse to bail on USAPA.
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Like your prediction on the LOA93 Arbitration?? With your batting record, I think you should lay off the predictions.
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