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Since our profit sharing was reduced to accommodate your "share" of the profit sharing, how is it that you think that you negotiated a concession to the East contract??

Easy answer...YOU DIDN'T. The East MEC GAVE that away trying to buy peace in the neighborhood. They were fools.

Driver :angry:
Complete BS.

Each side negotiated its own demands in the TA. We wanted profit sharing and we had the leverage to get it. You guys gave away nothing for us to get it.

The east, on the other hand, wanted pay parity but lacked any leverage to get it. It had nothing to do with buying an peace.

BTW, what peace were you trying to buy? There was really nothing going on at that time that would warrant you needing to buying any peace.

OK, now go find another excuse for your miserable failure.
 
Got the numbers? Pretty certain you are wrong. Remember the rules, rule.

Otherwise your silly speculation is duly noted. We are working to ensure a greater than before percentage should a re-election be in the offing. Mr. Parker would love the turmoil and delay that would ensue from another union certification.

As long as we are speculating, I would think another seven years or 1.5 DUIs. Give or take.
No I don't have the exact numbers but I'm nearly positive uslappy got less than 54%. Exactly HOW are you working on a better turn out next time? Because as a casual observer, it certainly appears usapa has failed everybody at precisely every single opportunity. Only the chronically stupid would dream of reelecting such a catastrophically failed union...so I guess you're right...it'll be a landslide next time as you Easties are incapable of a rational thought or action. :lol:
 
That is a major reason why ALPA was dumped.

The same fools who, using fear and intimidation "led" the 53% to vote "for" LOA 93. The same fools who gave away the DB plan. The same idiots who demanded a "loyalty oath" not to the line pilot but to ALPA.

The valid question is, why did the pilots suffer such fools for more than a couple of Friedman units? uh, years.
You were not trying to buy any peace. Please. That's just another BS excuse you guys came up with to reconcile your failures.

You guys are one mistake after another.
 
Since our profit sharing was reduced to accommodate your "share" of the profit sharing, how is it that you think that you negotiated a concession to the East contract??

Easy answer...YOU DIDN'T. The East MEC GAVE that away trying to buy peace in the neighborhood. They were fools.

Driver :angry:
Prior to the merger when was the last time you east pilots received any profit sharing? Face it you guys never thought it would pay off so you were willing to give us something that you thought had no value.

Peace in the neighborhood? If you recall we were all kubuya at first. Hands across the Mississippi or whatever it was called. You guys were just happy to have a job. There was no peace to buy. We were together right up until the time the east walk away from joint neg and elected usapa.
 
You are correct. That responsibility lies solely with ALPA and anyone with any common sense is well aware of it...

V
The east went on LOA93 on October 21, 2004; USAPA was certified on 4/18/2008. That means the east pilots endured LOA93 for 1,275 days under ALPA and 1,319 days under USAPA. As of today that is 44 more days under USAPA's "leadership" than under ALPA's (east MEC). Time to stop blaming ALPA for LOA93 when the east pilots could easily have jettisoned this agreeement in favor of a better contract by simply accepting the NIC instead of visiting five or more district judges and two appellate courts in less than four years.
 
Not worthy to shine your shoes, is that it?

Never said that, or tried to imply it.

You posted that the east "gifted" the West profit sharing, and then made the comment that it was a mistake. Implying the West did something to you, in some kind of ungrateful back stab or something.

I find that highly offensive, when it was the east who walked from negotiations, the east who voted in usapa to try and renege.

The West got profit sharing in the TA. Whether the east "gifted" it to us or not is immaterial. The West was an active equal if not superior partner in all of this, and you still act like the east was in the driver seat, handing out gifts to the West.
 
Never said that, or tried to imply it.

You posted that the east "gifted" the West profit sharing, and then made the comment that it was a mistake. Implying the West did something to you, in some kind of ungrateful back stab or something.

I find that highly offensive, when it was the east who walked from negotiations, the east who voted in usapa to try and renege.

The West got profit sharing in the TA. Whether the east "gifted" it to us or not is immaterial. The West was an active equal if not superior partner in all of this, and you still act like the east was in the driver seat, handing out gifts to the West.

Then take offense at Move2CLT. He is the one that started down this road. I take offense to the fact that my profit sharing was reduced 40% to accomodate the West pilots who ALREADY make more money. It was part of MY contract, not yours. I wasn't asked for my opinion...the MEC did it all on their own. THEN the USAPA committee disregarded the language in LOA93 regarding the calculation supposed to be used to disperse the profit sharing. They gave it to pilots that DON'T EVEN WORK HERE anymore. It is a very touchy subject to me and just another failure at the hands of pilots that are SUPPOSED to represent me.

That is my opinion...

Driver
 
Then take offense at Move2CLT. He is the one that started down this road. I take offense to the fact that my profit sharing was reduced 40% to accomodate the West pilots who ALREADY make more money. It was part of MY contract, not yours. I wasn't asked for my opinion...the MEC did it all on their own. THEN the USAPA committee disregarded the language in LOA93 regarding the calculation supposed to be used to disperse the profit sharing. They gave it to pilots that DON'T EVEN WORK HERE anymore. It is a very touchy subject to me and just another failure at the hands of pilots that are SUPPOSED to represent me.

That is my opinion...

Driver
You think we were going to contribute to a profit after we merges and not partake in profit sharing?!? Are you nuts!

We help make the profit so we get a piece of the profit. We had the leverage to gain that language in the TA and we got it.

It's your fault you didn't get parity and that we continue to make more than you do.

And you complain about USAPA and ALPA in the same post. What do those two entities have in common? EAST PILOTS.
 
You think we were going to contribute to a profit after we merges and not partake in profit sharing?!? Are you nuts!

We help make the profit so we get a piece of the profit. We had the leverage to gain that language in the TA and we got it.

It's your fault you didn't get parity and that we continue to make more than you do.

And you complain about USAPA and ALPA in the same post. What do those two entities have in common? EAST PILOTS.

Hey dude, I had NO PROBLEM with you getting a share of the profits. My gripe is the fact that my profit sharing was REDUCED to give it to you. Some negotiation. Much of the profit around here is courtesy of LOA93 which you are NOT on.
As far as parity goes, I do believe your own MEC lobbied against that.

Am I nuts? Yeah, I was. I was crazy enough to think we could build an airline with both of us in the cockpit. No more...

Driver
 
Last June, Judge Silver denied USAPA’s Motion to Dismiss the company’s declaratory action, effectively putting the case on track for adjudication (See Doc. 85). After a four-month hibernation, the next phase of the declaratory action began when Judge Silver set a date for a “Case Management Conference” (Doc. 117), and soon thereafter certified the former America West pilots as a class (Doc. 125). In preparation for the case management hearing next Thursday, December 1st, the three parties filed a single “Joint Proposed Case Management Plan” (Doc 130) and a “Proposed Scheduling Order” (Doc 130-1).

***Note: the hearing has been rescheduled back to the original date of December 1st***

The case management phase is significant because this is when Judge Silver will determine how much time and resources are needed to adjudicate the company’s declaratory action. Think of the case management phase as akin to a sculptor determining how much clay is needed to create his or her artwork. Judge Silver will effectively set peripheral boundaries on discovery and the type and number of witnesses which can be brought into the litigation (i.e. expert witnesses). This, in turn, will shape what arguments can be made at the trial phase. We do not know where Judge Silver will set these boundaries, but we can tell by reading Document 130 that the attorneys for both the West and US Airways mostly agree as to the optimum timeline to complete this case. Specifically, the West and the company recommend that the entire declaratory action should be settled through cross-motions for summary judgments – one filed by the West, and the other filed by USAPA. A “Motion for Summary Judgment” seeks to have the court decide the issue being adjudicated because there is no dispute as to the underlying facts. A Motion for Summary judgment is proper when the judge has all of the information needed to apply the law and make a decision. In reference to the sculpture analogy, a summary judgment allows the project to be finished with just a small amount of clay.

USAPA opposes summary judgment and proposes a case management plan that would give them a very long leash. Remember that this case is about the company’s liability to the West and to USAPA. Both the company and the West believe there is already more than enough evidence that is not in dispute to allow Judge Silver to apply the law and rule on this case. USAPA proposes the exact opposite by recommending a drawn-out schedule with virtually no limits as to what would be discoverable. Clearly, USAPA prefers a long leash for two reasons: one is to attack the Nicolau, and the other is to again delay the resolution of this dispute. Judge Wake allowed USAPA considerably more leeway during the Addington trial than we cared for, and we will soon see if Judge Silver does the same.

In closing, we thank you again for you continued support. The reason we do not have DOH is because an overwhelming majority of West pilots have “anted up” to defend our seniority. We are now reaching another milestone in our struggle and it is important to keep our collective defense funded. Paypal subscriptions have been robust, but remember that they expire after ten months. Please do not hesitate to renew your support.

See you on December 1st, 10:30 AM in Judge Silver’s courtroom.

Sincerely,

Leonidas, LLC
www.cactuspilot.com
 
Hey dude, I had NO PROBLEM with you getting a share of the profits. My gripe is the fact that my profit sharing was REDUCED to give it to you. Some negotiation. Much of the profit around here is courtesy of LOA93 which you are NOT on.
As far as parity goes, I do believe your own MEC lobbied against that.

Am I nuts? Yeah, I was. I was crazy enough to think we could build an airline with both of us in the cockpit. No more...

Driver
No, dude, our own MEC did nothing of the sort. First, we had nothing to do with your end of negs at all. We could neither prevent you from getting parity or help you get parity. We each got we we negotiated separately.

This whole fiction about us being against party is a story made up by your leadership to distract from their failure. Think about it.

Curious, what was your percentage of profit sharing before and after the merger?

And I agree with you. You being on LOA93 increases the profit sharing pool and allows more money in my pocket at your expense. We thank you.
 
You are correct. That responsibility lies solely with ALPA and anyone with any common sense is well aware of it...
Wrong.

The responsibility lies solely with East pilots.

We are more interested in stealing from the West than fighting the company.
 
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