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Maybe you should of thought of that before stonewalling, equal pay for equal work.. then at least we would be equal now and not have to work from the hole.... There would be more advantage for you... but you guys don't think things out too far...
I guess you east pilots should not have walked out of joint neg. and changed unions. We all for pay parity until that happened.

BTW you guys have been in change for almost 4 years. No west pilots to say no. If usapa wanted pay parity why are you unable to get it? You guys are the majority how is the wesat stopping you now? Maybe if guys had not had such a crappy contract it would not have to come up so far just to reach ours.

But you guys don't think things out do you?
 
How about the crappy pay you made for decades? Your group helped bring the industry pensions down. Let's talk about that.
Why don't we talk about the Wright Brothers while we're at it.

The reason we lost our pension is because we didn't freeze the plan when advised to do so.

John Davis and John Bryan got their lump sums.
 
The East is solely responsible for their miserable lives. I couldn't care less how little you make, how much you hate your job, how much you hate "team tempe", (who saved your career btw) I couldn't care less how unfair you think life is. Your mess is all on YOU, YOU, YOU. USAPA was exactly the meteoric failure you were told it would be and it's cost you hundreds of thousands of dollars.

I can't help but shake my head and laugh at how idiotic the East is. You guys couldn't have made worse decisions. Every. Single. Time.

Go whimper somewhere else...like the cockpit.
Great post Res.
 
Why don't we talk about the Wright Brothers while we're at it.


In the context of organized labor, every point from a group context is relevant. Otherwise it would be a free market meritocracy where people were laid off, promoted, demoted based on the subjective criteria of your employer and what was in their best interest. Things like being a better employee(i.e. sick leave usage, other employee comments, willingness to cover any scheduling request, etc.) more competent through training/evaluation, better appearance and presentation, or the willingness to individually negotiate to do the job for less or more productively would be the means by which your employer conducted layoffs, promotions and/or demotions.

You could throw all of these arguments away then as the only relationship that would matter is your individual relationship with the employer. Is that what you want? You better be the Ace of the base and be willing to do more for less as that is who have the opportunity to be captain or get the days or holidays they want off.
 
An Open Letter to USAPA’s Board of Pilot Representatives: November 28, 2011

Given the mounting body of evidence, available in the public arena as well as the letter, addressed to you, the Board of Pilot Representatives, dated November 21, 2011 from Lee Seham, we the undersigned request that you perform the following duties:

Call a BPR Meeting, as soon as possible. Address at least, agenda items covering legal and administrative oversight and direction, along with staffing of a new Communications Committee.

Remove from that meeting the Officers, Legal Counsel, all of whom now have conflicting interests. Also exclude anyone else, including BPR members, who even potentially had an involvement with the legal misdeeds involving the Seham, Seham, Meltz, and Peterson firm. Among the remaining members, and based on good judgment and common sense, decide what actions need to be taken to serve USAPA Member’s best interest and protect the Organization as a whole. We would remind you all that the union’s best interests trump any considerations of individual personalities, elected officers, lawyers, etc.

In light of the tone and content of the letter from Lee Seham, you have a couple of simple decisions to make. Your actions will determine whether or not the entire union becomes mired in yet another lawsuit, this one a certain loser.

In addition, we ask you all to consider the following:

The BPR needs to see the documentation from Seham, which he procured under subpoena. Of particular interest would be information therein, regarding the IP address and the internet service provider information, purportedly directly linking a computer controlled by Ms. Murphy or Randy Mowery to the libelous emails, falsely attributed to and signed by Nick Granath, a Seham attorney.

The BPR needs answers from both V.P. Mowery and Ms. Murphy as to whether their actions contrary to the best interests of Lee Seham and his law firm, were perpetrated under the umbrella of their duties and responsibilities as an officer and a legal counsel, respectively, of USAPA. Did Mowrey and/or Murphy undertake these actions under the direction of others, or of their own volition? The Board needs to ascertain whether these deeds were for personal retribution, or part of a scheme, cooked up within USAPA Headquarters..

If the V.P. Mowrey and Attorney Theresa Murphy were acting on their own and without the knowledge of others within USAPA, then the BPR needs to recoup any legal fees expended on their behalf and prevent any future expenditure in their defense in this matter and of course, the Board would have a responsibility to withhold union funds, going forward, in the event it is established that they acted alone.

If SSMP is willing, the Board must reassign the PHX Declatory Law suit back to their firm. USAPA may have to file for a continuance to properly prepare. Seham, Seham, Meltz and Peterson are the firm who know the case and who know Labor Law.

The Board must end the wasteful audit of the Seham Law Firm, in light of what you now know without a doubt about the truth of Lee’s claims.

The Board must withdraw the status quo lawsuit in the Eastern District of New York. It is a loser and an expensive one at that.

The Board should propose a permanent settlement with the company regarding the preliminary injunction in North Carolina.

The Board should assign interim USAPA designees who will act as points of contact for legal Counsel moving forward who are not conflicted with recent events.

The Board has the Constitution responsibility to hold interviews and an election for a USAPA Communication Chairman

We the undersigned would remind the Board of Pilot Representatives of the consequences of a lawsuit against the entire union, by its former law firm. Besides being virtually unprecedented, such an outcome would obviously preclude access to the expertise and experience of Seham and his firm. If USAPA loses the right to negotiate its own seniority system, the repercussions for the profession and our pilot group should be obvious to the Board. Also, if the allegations against Mowrey are proven, it could cost USAPA’s dues paying pilots millions of dollars, because of the reckless actions of our President and Vice President and the cover-up that followed by many in union leaderships positions. Consider carefully the consequences of dismissing this situation as a “political” one, as you all have done so many times before, when faced with questionable behavior by our officers.

Eric Rowe
PHL AB 330

Jed Thomas
PHL AB 320

Doug Mowery
CLT AB320

Woody Menear
PHL B-767

Dave Ciabattoni
PHL AB-320

Rich Wargin
CLT B-737

Dave Shryack
CLT AB-320
 
An Open Letter to USAPA’s Board of Pilot Representatives: November 28, 2011

Eric Rowe
PHL AB 330

Jed Thomas
PHL AB 320

Doug Mowery
CLT AB320

Woody Menear
PHL B-767

Dave Ciabattoni
PHL AB-320

Rich Wargin
CLT B-737

Dave Shryack
CLT AB-320
Our resident idiots!!!!!!
 
Why didn't your guys negotiate pay parity into the TA? Guess you didn't think things out too far.
Your lack of experience is deafening.

If it were allowed, you would have to bring management into the picture? You really are immature, aren't you?

What do you think a merged contract is? Why do I get a wooden sound when knocking on the top of where your brain should be? Perhaps there is something in your tail?
 
Your lack of experience is deafening.

If it were allowed, you would have to bring management into the picture? You really are immature, aren't you?

What do you think a merged contract is? Why do I get a wooden sound when knocking on the top of where your brain should be?
Calm down sealbeater.

We negotiated our own profit sharing via the TA. Why didn't you get pay pariy then?
 
Your lack of experience is deafening.

If it were allowed, you would have to bring management into the picture? You really are immature, aren't you?

What do you think a merged contract is? Why do I get a wooden sound when knocking on the top of where your brain should be? Perhaps there is something in your tail?
Um. In order to get pay parity you need to get it from management not the west. So of course you have to bring them into it.

Are you really that ...

Why is it usapa and the east have not been able to get parity for the last 4 years since you have been in charge?
 
No you did not. The east gifted the west with their own profit sharing. You already had profit sharing from the company.

At least, try to keep your lies straight.
You gifted us profit sharing? How is that dreamer? You tell management to give it to us and then you forgot to give yourself parity? LMAO!

No, we got that on our own despite you.

Gifted. You're such a jokester.
 
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