US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Iclubbabyseals]

And, while likely redundant, one party is working under LOA93.

and the other, LOA93 +3%. Wow! You are silly.

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

Parker has an injunction so you are not going to do anything.

Let me see, here. How is that on-time doing?

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

FL430 seems to think highly of Cleary. Which one of you is wrong?

Classic little girl mindset.

Neither one of us is "wrong".

You and your single track immature mind would say the glass is half full or half empty.

I, and I would think most east pilots, would say the glass is twice the size needed.

 

[cleardirect]

AA files BK this morning. Let the games begin.

So boys remember what you told us. Majority rules. The majority gets to decide seniority.

AA 9500
East 2700
West 1600

So 9500 against 4300.

Furloughs should get credit.

WB pilots are better than regular pilot.

Attrition is everything. (Better check AA number 8600 in the next 20 years)


I know you east guys have gone through mergers before you got this right. We have seen how you handle negotiations.

You guys going to stick to your same arguments?

Anyone know how much is in the usapa merger fund?

 

[Hate2fly]

AA files BK this morning. Let the games begin.

So boys remember what you told us. Majority rules. The majority gets to decide seniority.

AA 9500
East 2700
West 1600

So 9500 against 4300.

Furloughs should get credit.

WB pilots are better than regular pilot. I know you east guys have gone through mergers before you got this right. We have seen how you handle negotiations.

You guys going to stick to your same arguments?

clear,

I feel really bad for the AA people and what they are about to go through. This will not happen overnight. AA will park equipment and that is going to be painfull. They will furlough. UAL was in BK for more than 3 years.

Hate

 

[Code Name V]

At what age does one finally understand the difference between seniority and longevity? You guys were drowning and Parker threw you a life jacket. In hindsight, he should have thrown you an anvil. I would have. 😛

He did throw us an anchor. You intercepted......Good move!

V

 

[Reed Richards]

AA files BK this morning. Let the games begin.

So boys remember what you told us. Majority rules. The majority gets to decide seniority.

AA 9500
East 2700
West 1600

So 9500 against 4300.

Furloughs should get credit.

WB pilots are better than regular pilot. I know you east guys have gone through mergers before you got this right. We have seen how you handle negotiations.

You guys going to stick to your same arguments?

Anyone know how much is in the usapa merger fund?

Not quite. 9500 against 2700 against 1600. ("against".....typical West logic)

East has no current furloughs. West?

Same arguments, yes. But don't just assume it is AMR.

4 or 5M, but traditionally the Company will be pitching in also. Where did your 750K go from the last one?

Got scope?

RR

 

[Black Swan]

Not quite. 9500 against 2700 against 1600. ("against".....typical West logic)

East has no current furloughs. West?

Same arguments, yes. But don't just assume it is AMR.

4 or 5M, but traditionally the Company will be pitching in also. Where did your 750K go from the last one?

Got scope?

RR

It s a new day and the merger field is wide open. For all the issues of LOA 93, if someone does not have scope now, they are in serious trouble.

 

[nic4us]

Not quite. 9500 against 2700 against 1600. ("against".....typical West logic)

East has no current furloughs. West?

Same arguments, yes. But don't just assume it is AMR.

4 or 5M, but traditionally the Company will be pitching in also. Where did your 750K go from the last one?

Got scope?

RR

The West still has furloughees,,,,,,that are senior to active east employees on the only accepted system seniority list.

The West also has scope,,it is in the TA,,,we have a fleet min of 122 aircraft until the AWA/AAA merger is complete.

d) For America West, the number of minimum
aircraft will be established one year
after the consummation of the Merger
Agreement at the lesser of 140 total aircraft
(excluding SJs), or the number of total
aircraft then operated by America West
(excluding SJs) less ten percent (10%),
rounded to the nearest aircraft, with the daily
utilization rate measured monthly as the
average daily utilization rate for the prior
twelve months less ten percent (10%).

So, West brings the Nic and 122 aircraft to any merger party, or a breach of contract/hybrid DFR to any union/corporation that tries to steal what is lawfully ours.

 

[cleardirect]

Not quite. 9500 against 2700 against 1600. ("against".....typical West logic)

East has no current furloughs. West?

Same arguments, yes. But don't just assume it is AMR.

4 or 5M, but traditionally the Company will be pitching in also. Where did your 750K go from the last one?

Got scope?

RR

I said 9500 against 4300. Because usapa does represent the west fairly right. They will protect our interest in a merger right.


Got scope? How did your scope clause work out with the AWA merger? Did you pay rate kick in? Did your scope clause have anything to do with the UAL merger fall through.

What is it you call it???? Oh yeah an uncashable lottery ticket.

 

[nic4us]

clear,

I feel really bad for the AA people and what they are about to go through. This will not happen overnight. AA will park equipment and that is going to be painfull. They will furlough. UAL was in BK for more than 3 years.

Hate

You sir, just moved considerable up the ladder of east pilots I respect.

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

Furloughs should get credit.

I am thinking you get what you historically advocated as there are still two different pilot contracts.

The west said "No credit". The east said, "Credit".

Oh, oh. Didn't think your actions had consequences, did you?

As far a merging, or whatever you want to call it, I cannot imagine One World seeing anything of value in LCC after USAir saved A&W, who (tempe) then, in an angry mental disconnect of "we bought you", trashed the place like drunks trashing a house. Even Star Alliance seems embarrassed to acknowledge LCC, now.

 

[cleardirect]

Gentlemen. I suggest that you all read and understand A/M and M/B. Figure out what it says and does not say. This time there will be no blaming ALPA for a weak merger policy. Federal mediation this time. No cowardly running from the union and saying it does not apply.

You all had better get your heads out of that dark place and think about this. Want to wait another 6 years on LOA 93 while you fight another losing battle?

 

[cleardirect]

I am thinking you get what you historically advocated as there are still two different pilot contracts.

The west said "No credit". The east said, "Credit".

Oh, oh. Didn't think your actions had consequences, did you?

As far a merging, or whatever you want to call it, I cannot imagine One World seeing anything of value in LCC after USAir saved A&W, who (tempe) then, in an angry mental disconnect of "we bought you", trashed the place like drunks trashing a house. Even Star Alliance seems embarrassed to acknowledge LCC.

So you are willing to have 1000 furloughed AA pilots in the active ranks? They are twice as big so that puts their furloughed pilots above all those new hires and quite a few of your east F/O's. Going to throw those 99 hires under the bus again?

Because you see all of our furloughed pilots have been given a chance to return. Granted it is on the east contract and none of them are willing to put up with that BS. They remain out by their choice.

 

[Reed Richards]

I said 9500 against 4300. Because usapa does represent the west fairly right. They will protect our interest in a merger right.


Got scope? How did your scope clause work out with the AWA merger? Did you pay rate kick in? Did your scope clause have anything to do with the UAL merger fall through.

What is it you call it???? Oh yeah an uncashable lottery ticket.

No. Your own scope will or will not protect you in the next merger. This merger was never completed. Your 122 a/c might survive a renegotiated T/A, but according to your scope you have no say in who or what fuselage goes where, in any combination.

We like our scope, warts and all. It is only useful when things get really hairy. Like now. Our "pay raises" come in the form of penalties. Give it a read sometime, you know, the penalties Doug said he would get around?

You have now been certified as class, what four times now? Maybe that "class" has a little more work to do in the coming months than stonewall and refuse to even sit down at any table.

My guess has been for a long time....you will be a separate entity funded by USAPA and the Company. Then whatever result comes will be of your own doing, even if you choose to walk in the room and hand those 9500 pilots (or some other group) the Nic as YOUR starting point.

RR