US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Phoenix]

You're confusing cold hard reality with the delusional universe in your head again.

If a comma from the Nic is changed, we're going to sue the hell out of every responsible party till the end of time. Nic. Or LOA93 in perpetuity. It's just that simple.

You might want to give them a heads up. But they don't accept collect calls.

Air Line Pilots Association, Int'l
1625 Massachusetts Ave NW
Washington, DC 20036
(703) 689-2270

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

Thanks to the bankruptcy filing, US didn't make the required payment when due.

The company, with ALPA negligence, had not made payments for over five years on both the ALPA and AFA plans. Yeah, I know they did not have to. ALPA knew, or should have known/seen the dubious "investments" made. There were monthly reports that went to ALPA.

This was a concerted effort to fail the plans. It took several years and a negligent "watchdog", ALPA. The plans were not collateral damage but the targets themselves.

 

[Res Judicata]

You might want to give them a heads up. But they don't accept collect calls.

Air Line Pilots Association, Int'l
1625 Massachusetts Ave NW
Washington, DC 20036
(703) 689-2270

USAPA is now the bargaining agent that inherited all obligations from ALPA. That's why you're still working according to every single letter of LOA93...and why the Nic. Is still the only accepted list at USeless airways.

See you in Federal Court in the morning!

 

[nic4us]

Hold the fort MORON...isn't that the West argument....you are in BR ...you have no future.....
DAMN RIGHT the AMR furloghees get DOH....and when there is an opening they come back ahead of your.....wait for.....
here it come.........NEW HIRES!!!

NICDOA
NPJB

Typical..... You really have no comprehension of how this all works.

First, there are no NEW HIRES.

Second, in this hypothetical AMR/LCC merger, exactly which DOH are you talking about. AMR pilots have dates at TWA,Ozark, Eagle, Reno,,,etc. etc. None of which are in chronological order. Further, they have furloughees with late 80's TWA DOH's or may soon have again. So, in your scenario, not only would they go ahead of our NEW HIRES, they would go ahead of.....wait for it.....former east furloughees like Coello, and maybe even 17 year crybabies like Monda. So, STFU.

Third, the APA will do everything in its power to put our number one guy somewhere near the bottom of the list, and the rest of us on the street to accomodate their pilots and furloughees, without a give a shiit about when uyou were hired at the crappy airline AWA aquired out of bankruptcy.

Fourth, you really should not care, because since they have an attrition rate of 8400 in the next 20 years, you will OWN THE AIRLINE in 20 years, if you are just patient and get in line where you belong!!!!!!!

 

[Reed Richards]

USAPA is now the bargaining agent that inherited all obligations from ALPA. That's why you're still working according to every single letter of LOA93...and why the Nic. Is still the only accepted list at USeless airways.

See you in Federal Court in the morning!

You might want to move on from your broken record logic. Remember, according to Wake, TA9, and the following grievance...any West pilot furloughed and then recalled East goes to the bottom (prior to any combo of two groups, which now is not going to happen outside other M&A activity.)

Better start thinking about the T/A just like you should have done the seniority list with Cleary. Don't miss yet another chance to have some input. The T/A is coming up on 5 years old, very long in the tooth and no longer relevant. It will be renegotiated, maybe in a take it or leave it deal from the Company. Lots of scenarios..maybe we should discuss them here instead of this constant bickering on the Nic, which is dead and gone.

Your min fleet protection is in the T/A. For discussion (other than see you in court for a DFR) what happens if that protection goes away?..especially since over 20 percent of your flying is out east, and not PHX based. If I were you, I would be trying to work out a seniority list prior to AMR or someone else entering the scene. I question a DFR over changing the T/A, and losing West Min Fleet. You had no min fleet protection prior to 2005, why is USAPA somehow responsible for keeping it for you. Not in your face here, just suggesting that it might be time to start thinking about what a new T/A might look like.

Don't 190 pay rates reside in the T/A?

Are you taking a sleeping bag to the courtroom tomorrow? You will need one if you are going to stay for the proceedings.

RR

 

[Hate2fly]

For informational purposes remember what Dougie said back November 2009

Asked whether a merger would be prevented by the inability to combine two pilot groups following the 2005 US Airways/America West merger, Parker responded: "All it means is that if indeed there was to be another merger, it would require yet again another seniority integration, (between) three groups instead of two."

Food for thought!

Hate

 

[Phoenix]

USAPA is now the bargaining agent that inherited all obligations from ALPA. That's why you're still working according to every single letter of LOA93...and why the Nic. Is still the only accepted list at USeless airways.

See you in Federal Court in the morning!

You have no case pending in court.

 

[Res Judicata]

Lots of scenarios..maybe we should discuss them here instead of this constant bickering on the Nic, which is dead and gone.



RR

Blah, Blah, Blah,

"We the Jury find for the plaintiffs". Addington.

That's the heart of your problem. The Nic is alive and well. Your collective unwillingness to embrace reality has Cost you a devastating amount of money. The rest of your post is just noise. Protections must be built into the joint contract by our CBA. The TA is untouchable as their is no West to agree to the change. The founding idiots thought they were holding a trump card. Instead it was a loaded gun blasting a hole in their feet...with you guys cheering them on.

 

[Res Judicata]

You have no case pending in court.

Sure.

 

[Barrister]

Typical..... You really have no comprehension of how this all works.

First, there are no NEW HIRES.

Second, in this hypothetical AMR/LCC merger, exactly which DOH are you talking about. AMR pilots have dates at TWA,Ozark, Eagle, Reno,,,etc. etc. None of which are in chronological order. Further, they have furloughees with late 80's TWA DOH's or may soon have again. So, in your scenario, not only would they go ahead of our NEW HIRES, they would go ahead of.....wait for it.....former east furloughees like Coello, and maybe even 17 year crybabies like Monda. So, STFU.

Third, the APA will do everything in its power to put our number one guy somewhere near the bottom of the list, and the rest of us on the street to accomodate their pilots and furloughees, without a give a shiit about when uyou were hired at the crappy airline AWA aquired out of bankruptcy.

Fourth, you really should not care, because since they have an attrition rate of 8400 in the next 20 years, you will OWN THE AIRLINE in 20 years, if you are just patient and get in line where you belong!!!!!!!

Go back to instructing in C-150s where you can be king again newbie!!
It must suck to be you.
NICDOA
NPJB

 

[Black Swan]

Blah, Blah, Blah,

"We the Jury find for the plaintiffs". Addington.

That's the heart of your problem. The Nic is alive and well. Your collective unwillingness to embrace reality has Cost you a devastating amount of money. The rest of your post is just noise. Protections must be built into the joint contract by our CBA. The TA is untouchable as their is no West to agree to the change. The founding idiots thought they were holding a trump card. Instead it was a loaded gun blasting a hole in their feet...with you guys cheering them on.

No, here is your problem. The 9th, that RULED.


[10] For the foregoing reasons, we hold that Plaintiffs’
DFR claim is not ripe; therefore, the case is REMANDED to
the district court with directions that the action be DISMISSED.
No costs to either side.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

No, here is your problem. The 9th, that RULED.


[10] For the foregoing reasons, we hold that Plaintiffs’
DFR claim is not ripe; therefore, the case is REMANDED to
the district court with directions that the action be DISMISSED.
No costs to either side.

DUI DOUG has another problem "Change of Control Provision" besides "EAST SCOPE" !

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

For informational purposes remember what Dougie said back November 2009

Asked whether a merger would be prevented by the inability to combine two pilot groups following the 2005 US Airways/America West merger, Parker responded: "All it means is that if indeed there was to be another merger, it would require yet again another seniority integration, (between) three groups instead of two."

Food for thought!

Hate

Just curious. Who or what would be the representative of the west pilots? Is it possible that they could represent themselves separately from USAPA? What federally recognized group would that be? AOL? The ones who stole/used our private information?

I mean, spokespeople for the west keep saying USAPA "inherits" all agreements and serves as the bargaining unit for the west, using that line of reasoning to threaten the unit with DFR. IANAL, but it seems the spoke people want it both ways.

Just thinking because DOH with C&Rs seems attractive to my friends at American. So, we have three groups, according to dougweiser (like I think he has any idea what he is talking about).

American
East
West

Since the Nicholau ¿award? was poisoned by an incomplete list from the east (thank you ALPA), any subsequent arbitration should be rather interesting. As in, we live in interesting times.

 

[Res Judicata]

No, here is your problem. The 9th, that RULED.


[10] For the foregoing reasons, we hold that Plaintiffs’
DFR claim is not ripe; therefore, the case is REMANDED to
the district court with directions that the action be DISMISSED.
No costs to either side.

Totally irrelevant to the DJ. TOTALLY. I love how you guys still don't understand what's happening. When Silver allows the importation of all the Addington evidence, maybe you'll start to figure out why the Jurys' conviction of your fake unions is actually a monstrous problem for you. Hold on to ripeness though...if that's what helps you sleep!

 

[Move2CLT]

Just curious. Who or what would be the representative of the west pilots? Is it possible that they could represent themselves separately from USAPA? What federally recognized group would that be? AOL? The ones who stole/used our private information?

I mean, spokespeople for the west keep saying USAPA "inherits" all agreements and serves as the bargaining unit for the west, using that line of reasoning to threaten the unit with DFR. IANAL, but it seems the spoke people want it both ways.

Just thinking because DOH with C&Rs seems attractive to my friends at American. So, we have three groups, according to dougweiser (like I think he has any idea what he is talking about).

American
East
West

Since the Nicholau ¿award? was poisoned by an incomplete list from the east (thank you ALPA), any subsequent arbitration should be rather interesting. As in, we live in interesting times.

You honestly don't understand anything, do you?

There were three parties that were part of the TA and one no longer exists. That means the TA stands. Your MEC told you this when you guys got that hair up your backside to vote ALPA off property.

USAPA does inherit all agreements, and its stuck with the TA as is.

And I'm sure stapling seems attractive to your friends at AA as well, doesn't it?

If this merger ever did get off the ground, it would be

APAs list
Nicolau

And more than likely it would be slotting so you can put your DOH to rest. Everything would be based on the Nic.

And the list was never poisoned. It made it through negs, med, and arb with not even a peep from anyone. Didn't you get your verification letter from your MC?

One more time:

APA's list
Nicolau

End of story.