US Pilots Labor Discussion

[No Land Green]

Wow...You can almost see the spittle flying! :blink:

Some folks on here need to relax a bit. It's all good, someday all this will be a distant memory. No idea when that will be, but someday. 😀

He's a very ANGRY West First Officer.......

 

[Rookie Jr]

I agree that my opinion of the Nic doesn't matter. I agree about the integrity part. Here's another thing people with integrity do: back up claims made against others with facts. "The fact that you don't agree with Nicolau's list doesn't justify the treacherous actions you and the other Easties have taken against the West." Okay, go ahead and show my treacherous acts.

Treacherous act: Not accepting the result of a process you agreed to accept. Using your majority numbers to reject a national union to replace it with one designed to get your way thus continuing to repel a final and binding decision that you originally agreed to accept.

The "union" designed to get your way starts out by suiing its members, moves on to attempting to get members fired, further forces identity theaft investigation in order to get more union members fired, blames its own counsel and refuses to pay him. Investigates counsel in an attempt to defame him. Union leaders beating each other up in the union headquarters: union leaders boinking legal counsel and sending emails under false names: union drive to run the company out of business....

Treacherous acts, need I go on?

 

[Rookie Jr]

Just repeating what our attorneys told us. USCABA can appeal the DJ. why so angry? Seriously? GMAFB. You scabs have wasted years and a billion of OUR dollars on a fools errand that everybody told you years ago would end up here. A pointless waste of all our careers...why so angry? Guess MFer.

Yes. Ucrapa can appeal all they want if the DJ doesn't go their way. The company is looking for an answer in the DJ and will run with it whether ucrapa likes it or not. This is the end game. Deal with it, easties.

 

[autofixer]

Holier-than-thou: Exhibiting an attitude of superior virtue; self-righteously pious.

 

[Rookie Jr]

Hey Jim! You see this? And I'm angry?

Res, I absolutely could not care less what you think of me. You really need some help, this has obviously pushed you over the edge. It's not worth.

Me thinks thou dost protest too much.

ie. You really do care. You all do in some pathetic way.

 

[Rookie Jr]

Wow...You can almost see the spittle flying! :blink:

Some folks on here need to relax a bit. It's all good, someday all this will be a distant memory. No idea when that will be, but someday. 😀

It's funny how you want everyone to relax now that the light in the tunnel is about to whack you in the skull.

Westies are relaxed and enjoying the show.

 

[Rookie Jr]

He's a very ANGRY West First Officer.......

We're all angry. Captains too.

 

[UtterlyUdder]

Kubic is gone.

He resigned to keep his job. Apparently the company persuaded him to move on from his union position or face termination.

Just like Valerie Hayes. No one has heard from her because the company told her to STFU or lose your job.

USAPA, never a dull moment.

Seham suing USAPA and Mowrey. Mowrey sleeping with the help. Theur sleeping with the help and gone. USAPA going after Bradford and King. USAPA going after Seham. No contract and LOA93 after 5 years.

LMAO.

Can you spell LIBEL?

 

[cactusboy53]

No Sir! There is nothing in the Addington transcripts about ME. You said me. So, I'm waiting. I know a man of integrity would make claims he couldn't back up right?

Worth it? I hope you cool off and return to reasonable thought before anything like that happens. Guys that think like you over here are who got us to where we are.

"It's not my fault, it's Joe's fault (or Brian, or Carol, or ALPA for that matter)!"......... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUIjrwm2OaM

 

[Pi brat]

Could be over today. No later than April.

I guess we are looking at a different definition of done. To me done means section 22 is finished and we have a contract where it can be used.

I really don't get the anger when I say that. I'm not saying your won't see the Nic in section 22, I can't say that because I don't know, it's just going to take a while longer and we all should have know this path would do that.

 

[Pi brat]

"It's not my fault, it's Joe's fault (or Brian, or Carol, or ALPA for that matter)!"......... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUIjrwm2OaM

I've explained over and over my stance on this thing. You don't listen, just like some of your buddies didn't when I talked to them. You just want to lay blame.

 

[cactusboy53]

I just like fun comedy (like Wings). While your support of the C18 was appreciated, not enough people stood up to Bradford / Cleary. Most were just happy to fund USAPA, go to work, read periodic updates ("All is Well"), and hope for the best. The finger pointing is specifically aimed at USAPA loyalists and the Ostrich club (head in the sand common, but false legend).

BTW; The reason we seek to not replace Cleary is because every other east candidate still refuses to accept an unaltered Nicolau Award as the only seniority list. We'd much rather deal with the "devil that we know" vs. one that we don't.

 

[Pi brat]

I just like fun comedy (like Wings). While your support of the C18 was appreciated, not enough people stood up to Bradford / Cleary. Most were just happy to fund USAPA, go to work, read periodic updates ("All is Well"), and hope for the best. The finger pointing is specifically aimed at USAPA loyalists and the Ostrich club (head in the sand common, but false legend).

BTW; The reason we seek to not replace Cleary is because every other east candidate still refuses to accept an unaltered Nicolau Award as the only seniority list. We'd much rather deal with the "devil that we know" vs. one that we don't.

Yeah, I like Wings too.

The political reality is that, at this time, no east guy can get elected if he/she accepts Nic as unaltered. To me that is irrelevant now as so much has been invested and we are so far down the road that letting the legal system figure it out is probably best. I didn't think that 5 years ago, but now yeah. When the final gavel falls nobody will be able to deny it. So my thinking is that it will be settled, put it aside and start paying attention to the other issues at hand. Neither side seems willing to do that. Every issue leads to the Nic and the place is crumbling around us. I just don't think that supporting any leader because of his/her position on one item is a good idea.

At lot of guys are in the ostrich club because the type of fighting that is going on here now has been going on for years at this place. It has been one battle after another, with each side muddying the water so much that many guys can't make heads or tales of things and trust no one. They given up, and decided to let things shake out, accept their crappy career and go on with life. I don't necessarily agree with the method, but that is the reality.

 

[Reed Richards]

Out flying, had a chance yesterday to just read the West account of the proceedings..and have not talked to anyone else in the courtroom yet. Won’t get a transcript for a while.

First, I am shocked catching up on 20 hours of posts here that not much new is being said. Same old arguments, including my own.

First, the USAPA lawyer seemed to have his shuddering Andy moment, caught with his “pants down” as to the EAST MEC suit in DCA years ago. Anyone here from the start (not Cleary or his “new guy”) would know the reply to the Judge’s query. The new guy will do just fine going forward, especially in the briefs, but I understand the gloating…not pretty. This stuff happens when a union VP (again, “pants down”) cannoodles with the hired legal help….leading to the firing, lies, and public trashing of her old firm (the firm that had the decency to let her go under the circumstances.) I hope Cleary and the CLT reps are happy with this performance, but it was a public not a legal setback. USAPA Comm threw gas in the fire also yesterday, shamefully inept communication about the law.

Judge Silver seems to get it. She may let the dogs run wild for the courtroom show, but she knows darn well DFR II is not going to be tried in her courtroom. Contrats on Marty and the gang for propping up that dead premise..good work. One question, and one question only will be answered by Silver after briefs and rebuttals….Is the Company bound to use NIC?.... else free to negotiate. All the case law and our own dicta from the Ninth is staring her in the face. Even Wake, though improperly allowing the premature DFR, admitted both were free to negotiate.

You guys had a good day. Nothing changed. And when a ratified agreement is presented in DFR II, which we all admit is coming, you will be free to argue your case. But no NIC, ever.

Got scope?

RR

 

[crazystnic]

Could be over today. No later than April.

I think its far from over and I don't see how a ruling on a judger for a hearing is a win for the WEST...

Nothing has been settled...

It's also curious how west posters who claim to have been in court come out with some special wink that it's the east who is somehow spanked before we even start the trial?