US Pilots Labor Discussion

[nycbusdriver]

Why don't you run for election again?

That's a great idea! The last time he ran for rep, he lost by such a huge margin that he stopped posting his crap for 6 months! Thought he was "punishing" us!

 

[flybynite]

The east had got a heck of a record going. And that's only looking back to our merger date.

Why is it they have so many accidents and incidents?

And when you compare it to the west ops...

Move....you might want to have a look see at your first sentence in this post. It does require an edit... 🙄

And why do you feel the need to bring up past accidents and incidents?

Yes, we have had our fair share. Most , if not all major carriers have had them. AWA has been lucky by not having any ( fatalities ) ..yet...they never flew as much as the rest of us..so your odds were always less anyway.

We have learned a lot from our accidents and as a result most are in our training programs. CRM being one of them....which has been passed on to the other airlines as well.

I would be very careful about this. You might find yourself in a terrible twist and have an accident...hopefully not...and there is a loss of life.

What's even more interesting....I remember the person that was your last pic on this site. Is that really you? Weren't you an eastie? What happened to you?

Damn!

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

Thought he was "punishing" us!

One would think, eventually, that he would see a connection. The light bulb would go off and he could move on, but it is like he is trapped in some alternate dimension. Weird!

 

[Phoenix]

ALPA is gone...

Yeah. You can say that again. 😀 Tell me some more "comedy" about how great ALPA influence is. ALPA erradicated world hunger, halted global warming, and recently showcased a pension forfeiture plan to AA friends.

ALPA isn't perfect, but at least they invented arterial bleeding.

 

[prechilill]

Yeah. You can say that again. 😀 Tell me some more "comedy" about how great ALPA influence is. ALPA erradicated world hunger, halted global warming, and recently showcased a pension forfeiture plan to AA friends.

ALPA isn't perfect, but at least they invented arterial bleeding.

ALPA eradicated their yEAST infection too! Thank god for George!

 

[mikey60]

Are you certain Move is a mainline pilot? I wonder if, at best, he is a Mesa F/O, and, though I am certain he could do it, it would seem to be really difficult to drag a tail.

He has to be on the street. Look back at the hundreds of posts he has every week, I was looking for something several weeks back and noticed he might have 5 or 6 hours off then very little time between posts. I think he is at the bottom of a long ladder that is about to get a lot longer.

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

He has to be on the street. Look back at the hundreds of posts he has every week, I was looking for something several weeks back and noticed he might have 5 or 6 hours off then very little time between posts. I think he is at the bottom of a long ladder that is about to get a lot longer.

Perhaps you are correct. It would be unusual to have such a schedule. Well, I feel for him/her, in any case. I hope (s)he finds happiness.

 

[Move2CLT]

Move....you might want to have a look see at your first sentence in this post. It does require an edit... 🙄

And why do you feel the need to bring up past accidents and incidents?

Yes, we have had our fair share. Most , if not all major carriers have had them. AWA has been lucky by not having any ( fatalities ) ..yet...they never flew as much as the rest of us..so your odds were always less anyway.

We have learned a lot from our accidents and as a result most are in our training programs. CRM being one of them....which has been passed on to the other airlines as well.

I would be very careful about this. You might find yourself in a terrible twist and have an accident...hopefully not...and there is a loss of life.

What's even more interesting....I remember the person that was your last pic on this site. Is that really you? Weren't you an eastie? What happened to you?

Damn!

Had, has - these iPhones have small screens and small keyboards.

Fair share is being nice - very nice. And this whole myth about us not being around long enough to have an accident is BS. That 5 in 5 beat a huge statistical improbability.

And I must say that that this training program that came over as a result of the merger is one of the worst I've ever gone through going back to my commuter days. The reason AWA has an outstanding record is its training program. We had a great one.

AWA's record will forever remained unblemished.

And as for that guy in my last pic, I think that was Pi.

 

[Move2CLT]

He has to be on the street. Look back at the hundreds of posts he has every week, I was looking for something several weeks back and noticed he might have 5 or 6 hours off then very little time between posts. I think he is at the bottom of a long ladder that is about to get a lot longer.

Great detective work MM!!! You so nailed it.

Nice job.

 

[Move2CLT]

I agree and thanks for your support on this issue.

God knows he needs it!

 

[mrbreeze]

Are you certain Move is a mainline pilot? I wonder if, at best, he is a Mesa F/O, and, though I am certain he could do it, it would seem to be really difficult to drag a tail.

He is either Mesa F/O, on furlough, or a lowlife that was involved with identity theft and is now on paid leave. I find it peculiar that he emerged just after the identity theft and has enough time to post on these boards a kazillion times everyday. Also, he does seem to have a weak inside line into the management arena.

If he is responsible for the identity theft, he should be fired.....I am sure that if I had done something like that, I would be toast.

breeze

 

[Move2CLT]

It's interesting what you chose to highlight out of that whole article. Consistent of you, but interesting.

Why is it interesting Pi? Just because you don't think the Nic is fair and equitable doesn't mean its not fair and equitable.

The award is fair and equitable. Our judicial system agrees along with the pilot neutrals, Nicolau, and the west.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

He is either Mesa F/O, on furlough, or a lowlife that was involved with identity theft and is now on paid leave. I find it peculiar that he emerged just after the identity theft and has enough time to post on these boards a kazillion times everyday. Also, he does seem to have a weak inside line into the management arena.

If he is responsible for the identity theft, he should be fired.....I am sure that if I had done something like that, I would be toast.

breeze

Do you have any basis for your accusations? Do you have proof? Please present it.

Otherwise....

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Midwest flight attendants win appeal in seniority case
11/30/2011


Nov 30 (Reuters) - Republic Airlines and its Teamsters union unlawfully deprived hundreds of former Midwest Airlines flight attendants of their job seniority when the two airlines merged, a federal appeals court ruled on Wednesday.


The 7th Circuit Court of Appeals found that Republic failed to honor the Midwest flight attendants' seniority rights when it purchased the airline's parent company Midwest Air Group in 2009. Federal law requires airlines to integrate employees' seniority when two carriers merge.


The Midwest flight attendants sued Republic and the International Brotherhood of Teamsters in 2010, accusing the airline and its union of forcing hundreds of Midwest flight attendants into prolonged unemployment.


While Republic integrated the seniority lists for Midwest mechanics, baggage handlers and administrative employees, the company furloughed the flight attendants, requiring them to apply for new jobs with Republic. If they were hired, they came on at the bottom of the seniority roster, according to the court opinion.


The Midwest flight attendants sued under the McCaskill-Bond Amendment to the Federal Aviation Act, which requires air carriers to merge their employee seniority lists when they combine.


Republic and the Teamsters argued that the transaction was not a merger. Instead of acquiring an air carrier, Republic had rather acquired some assets related to air transportation, they argued. Soon after the purchase, Republic returned Midwest's nine leased planes to Boeing and abandoned Midwest's flying certificate from federal regulators. Republic did, however, take over Midwest's air routes.


The district court ruled in favor of Republic and the Teamsters, concluding that the federal law was never meant to protect the employees of an air carrier that "simply goes out of business." But the 7th Circuit disagreed.


"One cannot remove bankrupt and soon-to-disappear carriers from the statute's coverage, as the Teamsters propose, without simultaneously circumventing the statutory text and frustrating the design behind it," Judge Frank Easterbrook wrote for the three-judge panel. The court noted that the federal law requiring seniority integration itself grew out of American Airlines' acquisition of Trans World Airlines, which was bankrupt and on the brink of closing down.


Marianne Robbins, a lawyer for Republic and the Teamsters, did not immediately respond to a request for comment. Republic and the Teamsters' Airline Division did not immediately return calls for comment.


Edward Gilmartin, General Counsel for the Association of Flight Attendants-CWA and a lawyer for the Midwest flight attendants, said the 7th Circuit was the first appellate court to address the issue. The court "firmly established that once two carriers merge, there must be a fair and equitable seniority integration for the workers," he said. 😱


Most of the four-hundred Midwest flight attendants were furloughed without pay, Gilmartin said. Some, with decades of experience, took jobs at Republic as new hires.


The case is Committee of Concerned Midwest Flight Attendants for Fair and Equitable Seniority Integration et al v. International Brotherhood of Teamsters Airline Division et al, U.S. Court of Appeals for the 7th Circuit, No. 11-1921.


For the Midwest flight attendants: Jeffrey Bartos and Paul Knupp of Guerrieri, Clayman, Bartos & Parcelli; Edward Gilmartin of the Association of Flight Attendants-CWA.

I give besides the fact it is an airline the"real circumstances are similar how?"

 

[mrbreeze]

Do you have any basis for your accusations? Do you have proof? Please present it.

Otherwise....

I didn't claim it as fact...just peculiar that he showed up on these boards about when the suspensions took place.

As far as if I committed the little dirty deed, fact...i would be toast, and so would you.

breeze