US Pilots Labor Discussion

[73320]

As far as giving everything up....pension, etc....no, we didn't give that up. We were promised a vote on that by ALPA, but never were given the chance to vote. THAT IS THE MAIN REASON ALPA IS NO LONGER HERE!!!!! They betrayed the pilots of USAirways, period.

We were screwed by airline managers leaving with $35 mil in their pockets just prior to BK, then screwed by ALPA.

Fantasy? I would say that it is more of a belief that there is justice in this life and that those who took things from us will get their karma. Sure it is a pipe dream, but we have nothing else to lose and will lose nothing believing in justice......we will stand up for the right thing until they close the doors.

breeze

It would appear to most unbiased outsiders that you have been betraying each other for years yet somehow fail to realize it. Currently you have a whole host of betrayals to deal with at the very tip of your leadership spear encompassing nearly every entity it comes in contact with - law firms, west pilots, fiduciary, VP, EVP, BPR and you even achieved an injunction to top it all off. I am sure all of this is the hard to shake off vestiges of ALPA as opposed to the self inflicted miseries that outsiders see in you. They have added a new tool to your betrayal tool box post Nic in the form of Malice that you all seem to enjoy more than the mere betrayals. If you were screwed at all it is due to the fact that your company lost its competitive edge and could no longer produce sufficiently to meet your expectations.

Things are not what they seem, skim milk masquerades as cream.

 

[Pi brat]

Chippy is off base on any flight pay loss issues. The pilots voted for the assessement and its associated activities, and the guys on that committee have never demonstrated any such activity (abuse.)

I happen to disagree with the investigation, voted twice against it..but happily pay every month. That is the way it works. Will be interesting to see if they come back for more funds, after an uncharacteristically long 18 month assessment which was promised to be the “last one,” or words to that effect.

And the committee has not been straight forward about some facts. They were called on saying the UAL guys got a change in PC4 benefits years ago..but never admitted their mistake in writing. A little too much drama for me. I have been told of a smoking gun by these guys since day one, and have yet to see it. The latest hoorah yesterday on UAL was misrepresented also..that was a failure internally at the PBGC on accounting..and what I read will only bring a few dollars a month more to a few, if any.

I asked the committee in open session over a year ago if ANY group or individual had ever had a benefit adjusted. They did not know.

It is a small amount of money to give, but compounded year after year it becomes real moneys..and I just don’t see any way the courts are going to open the floodgates against the PBGC on their audits…everyone would sue. Truth is all the Judge has to say is they had no accountability, and we are all done.

Of course I want to win the lottery, but my education and logic tells me it is better to put the moneys elsewhere. I feel the same about this investigation.

They have a few more months..after that I would prefer a privately funded endeavor.

RR

I appreciate your POV and integrity for paying while you disagreed. I was not in support of the plan at first but after speaking to a member of the committee that I respect I decided to vote for the first round, and reluctantly voted for the second. Today DW said he didn't intend to come back for more and I wouldn't vote yes for more. I agree, if more is needed it's time for private individual funding.

 

[Pi brat]

My jaw is getting tired of you stuffing words in my mouth...

Jim

What was it you said the other day? Semantic games? Asking so I don't stuff your mouth.

Here's your quote:

So the question really is "How much do YOU(emphasis added) want to spend to maybe get some answers but no more money?"

Since I was talking about the issue, and I am an eastie, then actually your question was addressed to ME.

Save it Jim.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Again, why is it your place to state what every eastie should be asking. Personally I did ask myself the question, but for you it's really none of your business. You're gone. If anything positive comes of it, you win without paying. If not, what did you lose?

If you are a MIGS, then one man, one vote. If not, don't worry about it.

A new moderator (or pretender). When you (singular) own this place you (singular) can say who can post on what subject. Even determine who I'm addressing posts to (forum decorum is not to quote the post directly above the reply). Till then it's the usual nonsense. I know it's hard to believe but some others posted on the subject too.

Courtesy of Mirriam-Webster: you - the one or ones being addressed. (Notice that plural in there...probably not since it's all about YOU (singular) isn't it?)

BTW, I don't win or lose so you (plural) do whatever you (plural) want. Since you (singular) have asked yourself (singular) that question, it seems that you (singular) agree with me that it's an important question...

Jim

 

[Pi brat]

A new moderator (or pretender). When you (singular) own this place you (singular) can say who can post on what subject. Even determine who I'm addressing posts to (forum decorum is not to quote the post directly above the reply). Till then it's the usual nonsense. I know it's hard to believe but some others posted on the subject too.

Courtesy of Mirriam-Webster: you - the one or ones being addressed. (Notice that plural in there...probably not since it's all about YOU (singular) isn't it?)

BTW, I don't win or lose so you (plural) do whatever you (plural) want. Since you (singular) have asked yourself (singular) that question, it seems that you (singular) agree with me that it's an important question...

Jim

As I said, save it semantics champ.

 

[USA320Pilot]

USAPAWATCH.com Update: December 7, 2011

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[BoeingBoy]

dupe - jim

 

[Pi brat]

Ah, a new wannabe moderator determining who can post what. Should I call you 700 Jr?

To answer all your (singular) questions, look up "you". You'll (singular) notice that it is both singular and plural. Forum decorum is to not quote the post immediately about a reply (often ignored). You (singular) may be surprised, since it's all about YOU (singular), but others posted on the subject also and I was replying to one of those posts (the one directly above my reply).

So pull your (singular) knickers out of your axxcrack and try to be a good boy.

Jim

PS: since you (singular) asked yourself (singular) that question I guess you (singular) consider it important - like I said... Are you (singular) mad that I said it first???

Stings doesn't it Jimbob?

 

[BoeingBoy]

As I said, save it semantics champ.

Nobody likes a sore loser...

Jim

 

[mrbreeze]

USAPAWATCH.com Update: December 7, 2011

Click here to read the story.

Well, I have a question, Mr Cub Reporter......why is it that "The Eye" and the author of "Unbiased Facts" never sign their names to what they put out here on a public forum?

Please answer that question.

Rowe, Ciabatonni, and Mowrey put their names on everything they put out.

If these "ghost writers" want any respect, they should step up to the plate and claim their work....that is, if it's the truth.

breeze

 

[Reed Richards]

Well, I have a question, Mr Cub Reporter......why is it that "The Eye" and the author of "Unbiased Facts" never sign their names to what they put out here on a public forum?

Please answer that question.

Rowe, Ciabatonni, and Mowrey put their names on everything they put out.

If these "ghost writers" want any respect, they should step up to the plate and claim their work....that is, if it's the truth.

breeze

And to the best of my knowledge, not a single "old school" name mentioned in the Eye report wants to be nominated, much less intends to run or serve for any office if they are.

West must really be sweating competent leadership at USAPA, this is throwing spaghetti on the wall.

Dead on about the sigs....Compass is good about having them.

RR

 

[Res Judicata]

I appreciate your POV and integrity for paying while you disagreed. .

Oh yes, the "integrity" is over flowing....

 

[cleardirect]

Well, I have a question, Mr Cub Reporter......why is it that "The Eye" and the author of "Unbiased Facts" never sign their names to what they put out here on a public forum?

Please answer that question.

Rowe, Ciabatonni, and Mowrey put their names on everything they put out.

If these "ghost writers" want any respect, they should step up to the plate and claim their work....that is, if it's the truth.

breeze

So says the anonymous poster on a public forum.

Are you going to start signing your real name on here from now on or will you be a hypocrite? Breeze. The eye. Unbiased facts. Willing to claim your work if it's the truth?

 

[prechilill]

It would appear to most unbiased outsiders that you have been betraying each other for years yet somehow fail to realize it. Currently you have a whole host of betrayals to deal with at the very tip of your leadership spear encompassing nearly every entity it comes in contact with - law firms, west pilots, fiduciary, VP, EVP, BPR and you even achieved an injunction to top it all off. I am sure all of this is the hard to shake off vestiges of ALPA as opposed to the self inflicted miseries that outsiders see in you. They have added a new tool to your betrayal tool box post Nic in the form of Malice that you all seem to enjoy more than the mere betrayals. If you were screwed at all it is due to the fact that your company lost its competitive edge and could no longer produce sufficiently to meet your expectations.

Things are not what they seem, skim milk masquerades as cream.

What an awesome post. So true!!!

 

[john john]

Y I will agree to any binding contracts, but also realize that fair is fair .....binding arbitration?? ....yea right.

My name is UWCACTUS and I'm a Mormon.....I mean "moron".

And all those favorable labor binding arbitration awards that the unions at AA received will be on the table and will most likely be negotiated away