US Pilots Labor Discussion

[westcoastflyer]

And all those favorable labor binding arbitration awards that the unions at AA received will be on the table and will most likely be negotiated away

 

[westcoastflyer]

LOA 93 is a loss. Word is that the decision came out November 10th. USAPA and company are in Executive Session debating whether pilots are even entitled to the 3 per cent raises on May 1, 2011 and 2011. Watch the USAPA Spin Machine now!

 

[Pi brat]

LOA 93 is a loss. Word is that the decision came out November 10th. USAPA and company are in Executive Session debating whether pilots are even entitled to the 3 per cent raises on May 1, 2011 and 2011. Watch the USAPA Spin Machine now!

You may be right. So do the honorable thing and disclose your source since no one is supposed to be disclosing it.

 

[westcoastflyer]

You may be right. So do the honorable thing and disclose your source since no one is supposed to be disclosing it.

It has been 30 days, so the decision can be announced formally as of today.

 

[cactusboy53]

CB53,

I noticed you didn't reply to my post about TA10. I passed on your wish for a speedier, cheaper resolution for the company. ;-)

There should be some news on this soon.

Oh I did reply. I sarcastically referred to TA10 as another supreme win for that juggernaut union USAPA. You know, when a "union" only has 3 or 4 wins under it's belt out of the THOUSANDS (?) that are pending (and one of the "wins" is where Cleary & Parella truly fail the west pilots in the alleged DL overpayment, AND failed to take the process all the way through).....is it REALLY that great of a union.

A lot less flag waving, and a lot more effective action would be the very best way to show me that my due monies aren't going straight down the toilet. IMHO.

 

[fifidriver]

It would appear to most unbiased outsiders that you have been betraying each other for years yet somehow fail to realize it. Currently you have a whole host of betrayals to deal with at the very tip of your leadership spear encompassing nearly every entity it comes in contact with - law firms, west pilots, fiduciary, VP, EVP, BPR and you even achieved an injunction to top it all off. I am sure all of this is the hard to shake off vestiges of ALPA as opposed to the self inflicted miseries that outsiders see in you. They have added a new tool to your betrayal tool box post Nic in the form of Malice that you all seem to enjoy more than the mere betrayals. If you were screwed at all it is due to the fact that your company lost its competitive edge and could no longer produce sufficiently to meet your expectations.

Things are not what they seem, skim milk masquerades as cream.

I believe this to be a correct assessment; other than the company's competitive edge, most of the turbulence appears to be self induced.

 

[Pi brat]

Oh I did reply. I sarcastically referred to TA10 as another supreme win for that juggernaut union USAPA. You know, when a "union" only has 3 or 4 wins under it's belt out of the THOUSANDS (?) that are pending (and one of the "wins" is where Cleary & Parella truly fail the west pilots in the alleged DL overpayment, AND failed to take the process all the way through).....is it REALLY that great of a union.

A lot less flag waving, and a lot more effective action would be the very best way to show me that my due monies aren't going straight down the toilet. IMHO.

Yes, just as you and your buddies usually answer. Sarcastically and with no substance. This company has fought everything, for as long as I can remember tooth and nail. They are fighting the settlement. Jeff Mc is not here any more.

Answer the question. Should USAPA just take what is on the table and move on, or fight for more? Remember, Dr. Lee came up a quarter million pretty quickly.

Nic blinders.

 

[Pi brat]

It has been 30 days, so the decision can be announced formally as of today.

Then we can expect an official announcement from the company today?

 

[Pi brat]

I believe this to be a correct assessment; other than the company's competitive edge, most of the turbulence appears to be self induced.

There is a lot of truth to that and one of the reps pretty much said the same yesterday at the CLT meeting.

Many of our failures are a result of hatred and politics between union leaders. It was spawned after the PI/US merger. The blind "I'm right, you're wrong and by God I'm going to beat you in the head until you give in" attitude has cost us plenty. Thing is, doesn't anyone see it continuing?

That's my comment about the "Nic goggles". Both sides are wearing them. That has become the only issue while everything else floats by. You can lay blame all you want, but will that help your situation? Fight the seniority fight in court, but stop making EVERYTHING about it.

 

[Black Swan]

LOA 93 is a loss. Word is that the decision came out November 10th. USAPA and company are in Executive Session debating whether pilots are even entitled to the 3 per cent raises on May 1, 2011 and 2011. Watch the USAPA Spin Machine now!

And I also saw Martians at the Executive Session. Name your sources. DuBarry doesn't count.

 

[Black Swan]

It has been 30 days, so the decision can be announced formally as of today.

I guess the stock price, down today backs this story? If it is such a big win, why the numbers going the wrong way? Down 4.2 % on the day of the big win. Give me a break. The Wall Street boys would have gotten the news WAY before a bunch of amateur prognosticators on a web board. If it were a win, the money number would be there, and it isn't. In fact the money says it is a loss for the company if that is how you play the game.

 

[GorgeousGeorge]

If for the sake of argument, the Judge found the agreement made prior by the parties ALPA(America West), ALPA(US Airways) are held binding on the successor union, would not it require independent votes to ratify a joint contract by either party? If the successor union is bound by the process agreed to by the previous one, would it not be entitled to the entire process which included independent ratification by either party? It seems you couldn't use the argument, well that doesn't hold true anymore because USAPA replaced ALPA, since the argument being made is that fact changes nothing and things have to be implemented exactly as previously agreed to by the previous legal bargaining parties.

 

[Piedmont1984]

BPR meeting at HQ today. So should they be getting to the bottom of what the EVP did - or what the VP did? I say the EVP issue is a smoke screen and the VP issue is the real fire.

But I bet it's the EVP who gets hosed.

Hope not.

 

[cactusboy53]

BPR meeting at HQ today. So should they be getting to the bottom of what the EVP did - or what the VP did? I say the EVP issue is a smoke screen and the VP issue is the real fire.

But I bet it's the EVP who gets hosed.

Hope not.

Well, if history is any indicator....the EVP will be SOL, the VP will be a VIP for his honored work. The P of USAPA will seek to launch the EVP, ASAP so as to get back to the normal USAPA way of doing business PDQ. The CC (Comm Chair) position vacated by Theuer has still not been announced officially by the P, so look to see this announcement in the USAPA honored tradition of transparency & democracy PDQ as well.

To recap: at USAPA it's the SOSDD until the MAJORITY gets fed up with it.

 

[BoeingBoy]

I guess the stock price, down today backs this story? If it is such a big win, why the numbers going the wrong way? Down 4.2 % on the day of the big win. Give me a break. The Wall Street boys would have gotten the news WAY before a bunch of amateur prognosticators on a web board. If it were a win, the money number would be there, and it isn't. In fact the money says it is a loss for the company if that is how you play the game.

Stick to flying, BS. Hopefully you know more about that...

Jim