US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Rookie Jr]

From the people that I have talked to it seems that the East is more determined than ever since they lost 93.

Monty Python's "Black Knight". Watch that video.

 

[aquagreen73s]

That attitude or strategy is equally self destructive. If USAPA implodes and nothing is left but a vacuum, then LCC and APA will have free reign. Even with McKaskill-Bond, someone needs to actually show up and represent the USAirways pilots.

I think that the next joint contract will be a USAPA contract (absent a merger) and if there is to be another merger then USAPA will be the only entity to represent our collective interests.

Time, most definitely, is not on your side or our side.

The problem is eradicating the psychopathic mentality which dominates the East union. Psychopaths only make up 1-4% of the general population and I'm guessing that the percentage of psychopaths are not that much higher throughout the East ranks, perhaps double the statistical norm. Nevertheless, that 7-8% over there is very capable to continue their destructive ways and the reason is the balance of the East let them do it. Face your problem and we will move forward, but we're not going to do your work for you. The West is insulated with the T/A and the legal inevitability of the Nicolau.

 

[N924PS]

Regardless of what the courts come up with, you still have to overcome the NAC and then you have to overcome the BPR, then you have to overcome the overwhelming vote. Even then you don't understand the power the NAC has in how or what it negotiates for and I can guarantee it won't be to throw you a bone.

The NAC is yet another reason the West Pilot Class will have further cause for DFRII.

How many West Pilots are members of the NAC? You guessed it ZERO.

And I'm not sure the NAC even understands it's power and how or what it negotiates for. A lot of what resides in the West contract is better than what the NAC is signing off on and they're giving it away without one West member on the NAC.

What is the collective negotiating experience and training that resides on the current NAC? How about the "professional" negotiator. How many airline pilot contracts has he successfully negotiated?

No, USAPA is a Union created by and for the benefit of the East pilots, and specifically, the segment of pilots hired between 1986-1989. A lot of pilots jumped on the anti-ALPA bandwagon and voted for USAPA. I think many of those pilots will vote for a Nic inclusive CBA as long as the other Sections of the contract are "industry standard" and improvements not concessions.

Let's get an agreement that can be voted on and see which side has an "overwhelming" vote.

 

[cleardirect]

The problem is eradicating the psychopathic mentality which dominates the East union. Psychopaths only make up 1-4% of the general population and I'm guessing that the percentage of psychopaths are not that much higher throughout the East ranks, perhaps double the statistical norm. Nevertheless, that 7-8% over there is very capable to continue their destructive ways and the reason is the balance of the East let them do it. Face your problem and we will move forward, but we're not going to do your work for you. The West is insulated with the T/A and the legal inevitability of the Nicolau.

7-8% is still over 200 on the east. That seems about right the number of radical drivers of usapa.

 

[Move2CLT]

Dear Fellow Pilot,

It appears from today's ITT News Update there is a new BPR order that controlled USAPA's recent BPR meeting.

They are: Jamie Wiedner (who has taken over in PHL for Eric Jordan) - PHL, Joe Stein - DCA, Pete Dugstad - DCA, David Braid - PHX, Eric Ferguson - PHX, and Roger Valez - PHX who controlled the BPR meeting with 6 votes versus Mike Cleary loyalists Steve Szpyrka - PHL, Mike Gillies - PHL, Bill McKee - CLT, Steve Crimi - CLT, and Dewitt Ingram - CLT with 5 votes.

Now we know why last week's Special BPR "meeting ended at approximately 1700 ET as several Board members left for flights home, resulting in lack of a quorum." It must have been a tough day for Mike Cleary and why he ignored pilots on his early commute home to BOS to begin his 4-day weekend earlier than expected.

 

[Rookie Jr]

This statement shows how stupid some of the people in this company are.

In a few short months we will see who the stupid people really are.

 

[Move2CLT]

That attitude or strategy is equally self destructive. If USAPA implodes and nothing is left but a vacuum, then LCC and APA will have free reign. Even with McKaskill-Bond, someone needs to actually show up and represent the USAirways pilots.

I think that the next joint contract will be a USAPA contract (absent a merger) and if there is to be another merger then USAPA will be the only entity to represent our collective interests.

Time, most definitely, is not on your side or our side.

Then USAPA needs to stop its self-destructive before. They need to start using west talent.

We need to abide by the TA and put three west pilots on the NAC. The company will then pay for our negotiators.

And you guys need to accept the Nic, focus on a new contract, and then focus on a potential merger.

And USAPAs delay strategy must go - NOW!

 

[Move2CLT]

Hey, look, MM is back. Must be getting his meds under control.

Looks like MM is gone.

 

[Move2CLT]

First, it wasn't a rant and second, the only way to fall is to be unable to accept the situation. I clearly see and understand the situation. I even think there is a possibility that the Nicalau award will be 'attempted' to be forced on USAPA through the same 'unbiased' kangaroo courts you boys have out there on your turf. What you fail to understand is that PHX may believe that they can make up the rules on the fly, but a higher court doesn't agree. They will do what they can to try to impose but they will have a tough time doing so without overstepping their bounds and being reminded of what was asked and answered.

Your greatest weakness however is your failure to recognize the resolve on the East. While you think the term 'fight to the death' is a term; the majority here truly believe in it word for word. The anger, animosity, outrage, and bitterness between the East and West makes the Republic/NW merger of 20 years ago look like a minor disagreement.

Regardless of what the courts come up with, you still have to overcome the NAC and then you have to overcome the BPR, then you have to overcome the overwhelming vote. Even then you don't understand the power the NAC has in how or what it negotiates for and I can guarantee it won't be to throw you a bone. Before any of that however your puppet Parker has to put enough on the table to even more it forward. No, you may think that the resolve on the East has waned due to the Kasher fiasco (how is the poor sick man that is unable to complete his duties after 2 years of procrastination anyhow?) but you mistakenly apply it to a win.

Lastly, I liked your comment about how you were able to teach your grade school bully a lesson, tough guy. Was that a threat? If so, I would be more than willing to give you the opportunity to teach me a lesson....

V





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More blather. You guys have no resolve.

Look at how the voting went last meeting. You're quickly losing power on the BPR.

 

[Rookie Jr]

"If seniority is negotiable..., like crew meals..., I wonder where mine is?"
Jack Handey (rank and file east pilot)

He gave it away just like everything else. Now he wants to take it from the west pilots.

 

[Rookie Jr]

First, it wasn't a rant and second, the only way to fall is to be unable to accept the situation.

V

Well, by your definition you have already fallen. Binding Arbitration and the company's acceptance letter come to mind.

PS: It was a rant by any definition.

 

[Rookie Jr]

That attitude or strategy is equally self destructive. If USAPA implodes and nothing is left but a vacuum, then LCC and APA will have free reign. Even with McKaskill-Bond, someone needs to actually show up and represent the USAirways pilots.

I'll take the vacuum over ucrapa any day.

 

[Barrister]

Most of us AWA guys were smart enough to see the writing on the wall for US Airways. I am an east coast guy who wouldn't even consider applying to your mighty airline. Not only did I see the impending organizational doom but, beginning with my days in the Air National Guard, on through a few years in the commuters I was exposed to the pilots of US Airways and decided that is one group of people I wanted to stay far away from.

In addition, we rookies have no (or a very easy) commute here in the wonderful weather on the west coast. (I was happy to relocate to Phoenix and I know many of you are chomping at the bit to do so also.) AWA was (until this tragic "merger") growing and upgrades were quick. Top it off with the fact that 95% of the people who work here are a joy to work with.

One more thing. Take a look at our contract. I know you easties are averse to looking at facts but, with regards to lifestyle, our contract is pretty damn good. If you actually took the time to read the thing you would be begging for it plus a reasonable rate increase.

Spew all the venom you want to about AWA. Most of you meet will be happy to tell you we loved it here until the cancer called US Airways infected us.

Yea and you would have been down to that single PHX power house hub....not to mention the 25% of the flying you do now would not exist
Parker even said LAS doesn't work with high fuel prices. We know how you feel though. Sucks to be us but sucks worse to be you!!!

NICDOA
NPJB

PS...what happens if we split....do you need us worse than we need you......BET YOUR ASS

 

[malikie]

From the people that I have talked to it seems that the East is more determined than ever since they lost 93. I cant believe you dont know that with all the time you have being on the street and all HAHAHA. You deserve it and after the boys from AA get done with you..... you will be at the same place..... on the street. By the way did you lose you home yet? HAHAHA

The man in the mirror and the voices in your head do not count.

 

[Barrister]

We can start and finish on LTD/STD alone. That alone should be enough to embarrass you.

Go ahead and explain it "King of the One Liner"

NICDOA
NPJB