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Now there is some hard core proof from KIA........I have to go to a business meeting. Have a nice day in the sandbox
NLG out
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Now there is some hard core proof from KIA........I have to go to a business meeting. Have a nice day in the sandbox
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Ah, an easties who didn't vote for LOA93 and has a successful second job.
I'm shocked.
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I'm trying but you easties are so complex! LMAO!
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Say "hi" to MM.
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I believe there needs to be cooperation to build trust. One side dictating to the other will not work, especially after what USAPA has done. Wounds are too deep and healing needs to occur. Pilots need to step into the other guy's shoes to get a better understanding of how the other guy feels. Maybe then pilots can be empathetic and move forward together.
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We know who our A Team is. Only one of the three you mentioned would be considered A grade.
Like I said, you need to focus on your end.
And don't forget Scola.
Like I said, you need to focus on your end.
And don't forget Scola.
Sometimes it's hard to tell on here, but that was a joke, right?
A side effect of late adolescence.
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Maybe he meant to say SWA was within days of having an unprofitable quarter, but they never had one after all, I think.
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Said the guy who got booted for throwing a tantrum on this very board.
LMAO.
Long hiatus and that's all you come up with?
Are you still hurting?
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Men of genius for sure. And you easties think your history is filled with bad luck? No, it's filled with leaders like these.
USAPA's legal update appears to engage in the same thing Hummel was accused of by repeating everything he did. PHL/Gillies and CLT/McKee seemed most upset that Hummel went onto Pacer to download Seham's complaint - like it was some kind of subversive activity.
Koseruba even attempted to deflect blame onto the west for Mowrey's email. Because of email "spoofing", Koseruba was suggesting that the email could come from anyone like those pfishing emails we all get. DCA spoke up and said that the email had to much specific knowledge to come from a stranger to which Koseruba said the syntax looked like it was written by someone on the west.
Personally, I was amused watching people, who by their own admission do not know internet technology, discuss Internet Protocal and MAC addresses. McKee even thought the MAC addresses ment that it came from a Macintosh computer when Mowrey has a PC. Koseruba is spending dues dollars on an IT expert (friend) to investigate spoofing, but Seham has the information required to move forward.
This meeting had the typical characteristics of deflection and distraction and this was not lost on the few pilots who attended and spoke up.
USAPA's legal update appears to engage in the same thing Hummel was accused of by repeating everything he did. PHL/Gillies and CLT/McKee seemed most upset that Hummel went onto Pacer to download Seham's complaint - like it was some kind of subversive activity.
Koseruba even attempted to deflect blame onto the west for Mowrey's email. Because of email "spoofing", Koseruba was suggesting that the email could come from anyone like those pfishing emails we all get. DCA spoke up and said that the email had to much specific knowledge to come from a stranger to which Koseruba said the syntax looked like it was written by someone on the west.
Personally, I was amused watching people, who by their own admission do not know internet technology, discuss Internet Protocal and MAC addresses. McKee even thought the MAC addresses ment that it came from a Macintosh computer when Mowrey has a PC. Koseruba is spending dues dollars on an IT expert (friend) to investigate spoofing, but Seham has the information required to move forward.
This meeting had the typical characteristics of deflection and distraction and this was not lost on the few pilots who attended and spoke up.
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What a fine letter.
Subject: Pay parity
Gentlemen,
I’m writing at the request of my representatives to set the facts straight regarding a myth that is repeatedly promulgated by one or more of you. The following was published in yesterday’s PHL update:
“It is probably also worth remembering that the former AWA MEC opposed pay parity.”
This statement is patently false. Both MEC’s agreed at the outset of the merger – without objection from either – that parity was to be achieved in a joint contract. That is explicitly what the parties agreed to via the Transition Agreement. While I certainly agree that pay parity should have been provided at the outset of the transaction, its absence is not the fault of anybody but Mr. Parker.
AAA’s independent pay parity push came in direct reaction to the Nicolau Award, and in support of a “permanent separate operations” resolution passed by the AAA MEC. It is that campaign (and not pay parity) that the MEC opposed. The quickest path to pay parity would have been to remain engaged in the JNC talks, and that is a path which the AWA MEC consistently supported. If AAA’s sole concern was pay parity, they would have remain engaged in the JNC talks and would have achieved pay parity in relatively short order. Of course, as we all know, the pay parity push did not have anything to do with pay parity – it had to do with avoiding a seniority arbitration. In that regard, you’ve been successful because you avoided both the seniority arbitration AND pay parity.
My guess is that most of you are already well aware of those facts, but still promulgate this myth about the evil West because you believe that continuing to vilify us will help USAPA achieve its bargaining objectives. That’s certainly your prerogative, however, perhaps at some point you might take a dispassionate look over the past 4 years and ask yourself if that sort of behavior is really of any value to anybody other than Mr. Parker. The West has had zero difficulty funding a RICO lawsuit (and appeal), an identity-theft harassment scheme, a dues arbitration, a full-blown DFR jury trail, appeal, and now a declaratory judgment. Today – right now – the West comfortably sits on a sizable cash surplus, with all of our legal bills paid, and remains as unified and committed as ever to see that our rights are vindicated. USAPA – on the other hand – is in midst of unprecedented (and very public) infighting and is completely underwater with legal bills. In light of that, if you still see value in kicking the West whenever the opportunity arises, I say have at it.
Anyhow, instead of living in the distant past of ALPA, why not focus all efforts on achieving pay parity now? There is no longer an AWA MEC nor is there the oversight of a national union to blame for interfering. Your NAC has explicitly stated on a number of occasions that it doesn’t need the West to achieve a contract – so what are you waiting for? It is clear to me that the East pilots are well overdue a pay increase and as their representative you should be pursuing it aggressively.
Subject: Pay parity
Gentlemen,
I’m writing at the request of my representatives to set the facts straight regarding a myth that is repeatedly promulgated by one or more of you. The following was published in yesterday’s PHL update:
“It is probably also worth remembering that the former AWA MEC opposed pay parity.”
This statement is patently false. Both MEC’s agreed at the outset of the merger – without objection from either – that parity was to be achieved in a joint contract. That is explicitly what the parties agreed to via the Transition Agreement. While I certainly agree that pay parity should have been provided at the outset of the transaction, its absence is not the fault of anybody but Mr. Parker.
AAA’s independent pay parity push came in direct reaction to the Nicolau Award, and in support of a “permanent separate operations” resolution passed by the AAA MEC. It is that campaign (and not pay parity) that the MEC opposed. The quickest path to pay parity would have been to remain engaged in the JNC talks, and that is a path which the AWA MEC consistently supported. If AAA’s sole concern was pay parity, they would have remain engaged in the JNC talks and would have achieved pay parity in relatively short order. Of course, as we all know, the pay parity push did not have anything to do with pay parity – it had to do with avoiding a seniority arbitration. In that regard, you’ve been successful because you avoided both the seniority arbitration AND pay parity.
My guess is that most of you are already well aware of those facts, but still promulgate this myth about the evil West because you believe that continuing to vilify us will help USAPA achieve its bargaining objectives. That’s certainly your prerogative, however, perhaps at some point you might take a dispassionate look over the past 4 years and ask yourself if that sort of behavior is really of any value to anybody other than Mr. Parker. The West has had zero difficulty funding a RICO lawsuit (and appeal), an identity-theft harassment scheme, a dues arbitration, a full-blown DFR jury trail, appeal, and now a declaratory judgment. Today – right now – the West comfortably sits on a sizable cash surplus, with all of our legal bills paid, and remains as unified and committed as ever to see that our rights are vindicated. USAPA – on the other hand – is in midst of unprecedented (and very public) infighting and is completely underwater with legal bills. In light of that, if you still see value in kicking the West whenever the opportunity arises, I say have at it.
Anyhow, instead of living in the distant past of ALPA, why not focus all efforts on achieving pay parity now? There is no longer an AWA MEC nor is there the oversight of a national union to blame for interfering. Your NAC has explicitly stated on a number of occasions that it doesn’t need the West to achieve a contract – so what are you waiting for? It is clear to me that the East pilots are well overdue a pay increase and as their representative you should be pursuing it aggressively.
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Of course it was. 🙄
As foriegn as the truth is to you, that's the story. I sent them a PM with that accusation since they seemed to not be doing anything about your posts.
I did get a suspension for a few days, as did you, but also got a nice email from the board's head cheese, explaining how this thing works. Good info.
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