US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Move2CLT]

Driver is on and lurking.

Waiting for his pearl with great anticipation.

 

[Metroyet]

Your diagnosis and prognosis is spot on.

What treatment do you recommend? Group enema maybe?

No. Like all other addicts, they're going to "hit bottom" on their own. There is nothing we can do to help them. They're incapable of rational thought. Unfortunately the only thing that will get through to them is intense pain. Frankly I believe we're starting to hit that pain threshold. A few kernels have already popped and the frequency is increasing. By Spring, the whole kettle of popcorn will be exploding. Orville Reddenbacher has nothing on Judge Silver.

Now we wait. Many have reached the inescapable conclusion regarding the negotiability of the Nic Award...or stark lack there of.

 

[Move2CLT]

No. Like all other addicts, they're going to "hit bottom" on their own. There is nothing we can do to help them. They're incapable of rational thought. Unfortunately the only thing that will get through to them is intense pain. Frankly I believe we're starting to hit that pain threshold. A few kernels have already popped and the frequency is increasing. By Spring, the whole kettle of popcorn will be exploding. Orville Reddenbacher has nothing on Judge Silver.

Now we wait. Many have reached the inescapable conclusion regarding the negotiability of the Nic Award...or stark lack there of.

That's deep.

Totally deep.

 

[prechilill]

Keep up those Academy Award winning tantrums. Meanwhile, the real pilots will be getting down to business to get a fair contract for ALL.

Later,
Eye

A blast from the past... Just for some laughs for the rational citizens around here.

 

[fifidriver]

I have my holiday tie too. The "k" seems faded though to the point you can barely see it.

I used a black "sharpie".

 

[prechilill]

How 'bout this one from a recognized big mouth about the C18:

You guys keep asking for this information, but it's not something that's yours to have. Nor is it mine.

That's the point of going to court. To find out exactly the names of who did exactly what. This is information the veracity of which can only be vetted by the court. If it's real, the court will find out. If it's a USAPA pipe dream as you contend, the court will find out.

None of us, east or west, who are posting here are privy to the details of these allegations. This is a matter for the court and the principals involved in the case...not a bunch of USAviation pontificators.

So...please stop asking. USAPA's case will come out in court and at that time, when it becomes public record, you and I will know just what is going on here.

Oh the "objectivity" of this poster... waiting for his proper acknowledgment recognizing the , err, "mistake" by USAPA (the first of many)

 

[Move2CLT]

A blast from the past... Just for some laughs for the rational citizens around here.

That was good for a belly laugh.

 

[luvn737s]

and if you turn this thing off until 12/15/2015 you will not notice any difference; same names, same arguments, same everything...

Well...almost everything. There will be a slight difference however....over 1,000 upgrades on the East, similar number of retirees, same pay rates except for the aforementioned upgrades. Like so many others, I'm OK with that. Separate ops and status quo until the next merger which is years away....Between now and then, this is just wasted bandwidth.


V

So when are you going to start the drive to disband USAPA and retroactively refund the dues/agency fees to the west pilots. A union's gotta do something for the money it extorts.

 

[prechilill]

A couple of points, tazz. Over the years, seniority arbritrations have gone from nominal DOH with C&Rs to relative seniority with C&Rs and everything in between. Not sure where you come up with this "stapling." Its never been on the table. Only in SWA/Morris was staple a player and that was union/non-union, with no arbitration.

"How Nicolau saw it" is irrelevant. The NIC died on April 17th along with ALPO. Courts dont rule on fairness. They rule on the law. "Dura lex sed lex." Courts seldom grant injunctive relief on anything. Youll get your day in court, AFTER the USAPA list is in place. "Fairness?" Courts dont rule on what is clearly "in the eye of the beholder." They rule on the law. "Abusus non tollit usum."



Key word: "IF," but "Imposed" by whom? USAPA wont. The company wont. A Court? Go ahead and DFR. Not sure why your bringing up the theme of "stapling," when it was never on the table.

And for all the FUD from NLC and his ilk, even with the west deadbeats refusing to pay dues, agency fee, USAPA is far from being broke. Secretary/Treasurer Mark King then reviewed the Association’s finances. As of September 30, 2008, USAPA has unrestricted cash in excess of 1.1 million dollars and $250,000 in available credit. USAPA will be starting 2009 financially strong as what little debt is owed is scheduled to be paid in full by this December.
Want to run a DFR on USAPA? Go for it, but your dues money/agency fees will pay for USAPAs defense. Since we dont send 3/4 of our dues back to ALPO any more and we put our officers up in a dump, weve got the bucks to defend ourselves. snooper

Metro, you guys are a broken record. Same old story seems all you got. What do you expect, USAPA to do in 10 months what ALPO couldnt do in 3 years? I thought you liked your wages. You keep throwing them in our face. You didnt go to Section 6 when you had the chance back in June 2006. Using words like "cowards" is just another flame bait attack. Were not going to RIK. Our wages are where they are because of an ALPO-induced concessionary LOA-93. That all goes away in 11 months. We snap back, contract or no contract. We also get two $35 Million bonuses in 2010 and 2011. As far as lawsuits are concerned, Id say youve got us matched about one for one. Also, if ALPO hadnt gutted our pension plan, I bet most of our over-60 pilots would have retired in the past 13 months. Instead, you can count on one hand those who have gone out of the 200+ who turned 60. We can go Sect 6 this June. Then well have some clout. Till then its just shadow-boxing. BTW, wins in the RJ and reduced hours arbitrations, everyones back to work. Forgot, Ive mentioned that before.



More flame-bait, Clear. Thats all you guys got left. Maybe USAPA looked at who was leading the charge out west not to pay dues. And all those west he-men, hiding behind the skirts. BTW, I hear one of your females not only paid up but she joined and running for Rep. Snooper

Hmmm... I hope Snooper is ok- haven't heard his clown act in quite a while and the Loa93 loss may have defeated him entirely. 😱

 

[cactusboy53]

Here are some of my favorites from Luvthe9 last spring:

Posted 31 March 2011 - 05:28 PM #11672
“Now the chief pilots office is staying there will be jail time coming for the guys. Joe is waiting!!!”

Posted 31 March 2011 - 06:22 PM #11677
“We love Joe out here!!!, and yes innocent until proven guilty however that was a true statement for the office. I do feel for these idiots.”

Posted 01 April 2011 - 09:32 AM #11725
“Well it appears the pilots aside from USAPA have had just about enough of AOL, now we hear EFC LLC. (East Coast Flyers) is in the early stages of forming with the intent to start a civlil suit against AOL and possiibly the company. This just keeps getting better everyday. The west will need alot more donations so get those checkbooks out fellows.”

‘IT"S COMING”

Posted 01 April 2011 - 09:36 AM #11726
“Could just imagine what the westies would be trying to us do if it was the east that stole the information, sending crap in the mail (and yes that was verified by the FBI and U.S. Postal service) and the thousands of phone calls and the theats to do whatever it takes to bring our union down, This does not look good for AOL.”

Posted 01 April 2011 - 01:48 PM #11755
“Well it started, I just had 100 dollars switched form my checking account to a paypal account that was an unauthorized transfer. Watch you pockets kids!!!”

Posted 01 April 2011 - 03:10 PM #11763
“You have my word on this all kidding aside and I just signed up for that lifelock several days earlier. I'm not saying it was you guys but it happened.”

Posted 02 April 2011 - 12:08 PM #11826
“Very well said V. I think this place will be split up pretty soon, it's funny every east pilot is for spitting it up but no west pilot is on board with that idea, I wonder why?”

Posted 03 April 2011 - 10:53 AM #11888
“Spin and deflection, not to worry I think both sides will be happy pretty soon.”

Posted 04 April 2011 - 03:47 PM #11973
(Referring to Leonidas Brochures) “We need to let them send them and send often. That way, they have to "KEEP THE DONATIONS COMING!"
”
Posted 05 April 2011 - 10:08 PM #12142
“Just got in from a trip and had the training folks on the jumpseat, the word is we the "east" have stopped hiring pilots, I think this is in anticipation of the upcoming un-merger, should be interesting.”

Posted 09 April 2011 - 03:35 PM #12377
“The time is nearing for the un-merger.”

Posted 09 April 2011 - 09:49 PM #12420
“Nothing to do with lies the damage has already been done, it's so much fun the watch Tempe and the boys try to do damage control. Hey, I bet the next town hall meeting will be very good!!! I might even have to watch that one. You guys really stepped on your winky this time.”

Posted 10 April 2011 - 10:03 AM #12429
“Trader, I think this is going to go a lot higher than the pilots, I'm starting to think they were just the fall guys. Do you have any problem if management goes to jail or should everyone be allowed to just to want they want without any recourse?”

Posted 10 April 2011 - 11:54 AM #12433
“I agree, this place will be split and I think Parker and company are finished in the airline industry, with his DUI's and absolute lack of leadership, the way employees are treated around here, and his inability to merge to small airlines plus the identity theft debacle, what a legacy he will leave behind.”

Posted 10 April 2011 - 01:02 PM #12439
“I think they call this the "Stockholm syndrome". P.S. Parker does not have your back.”

Posted 10 April 2011 - 07:48 PM #12462
“Nice try, but backwards, sues for everything, steals personal data the west is finished and will be shed soon.”

Posted 12 April 2011 - 04:26 PM #12615
“It is the Tokyo Rose thing. They tell you what you should do, because they know they are losing. 5 yrs. into the UNMERGE, 3 YEARS into Nicolau Fantasy. They cannot pull it off, and it galls them to no end. Fully knowing the 9th already bombed them out, and Kasher could possibly be the next "Little Man" headed to their Nicolau fantasy.”

Posted 13 April 2011 - 03:53 PM #12648
“And also the most important, please keeps all those donations coming in because we are broke and owe the attorneys a lot of money and we will require more with our identity theft case coming soon.”

 

[767jetz]

Nope. No one deserves that award more than you.

Heck, you guys have won that award every year since you tried to merge with United.

Congrats!,

And yes, we do own the boards now.

I'll vouch for that.

Hey Move... thanks for helping to clean this place of the riff-raff.

Just finished a landings class. The Instructor's brother is a west pilot. Interesting conversation in the sim today!

 

[A320 Driver]

So when are you going to start the drive to disband USAPA and retroactively refund the dues/agency fees to the west pilots. A union's gotta do something for the money it extorts.

When pigs fly (and I don't mean A321s either).

Driver...

 

[Code Name V]

So when are you going to start the drive to disband USAPA and retroactively refund the dues/agency fees to the west pilots. A union's gotta do something for the money it extorts.

Well, with that line of thinking, I suppose the company has an obligation to return the money it extorted? What would that amount to by now without interest? I'm thinking around 4B to the pilots alone.

Nothing should surprise you around here and nothing should be taken at face value, including the court system. Wether you recognize it or not; you work for organized crime and as long as you continue to look at USAPA as the source, you continue to be sidetracked, misled, and wasting time and money. USAir makes Enron look like amateurs and Arthur Anderson has nothing over this accounting dept.

We thought the crime figures hit a lowpoint with Bugsy Seigel but DUI Doug and his sidekick Scotch, under the guidance of Jerry the Gerbil have shown that there is no rock too low for these scum not to crawl out from underneath.

So continue to keep focused on the union and let the real thieves run amok.

V

 

[cactusboy53]

Well, with that line of thinking, I suppose the company has an obligation to return the money it extorted? What would that amount to by now without interest? I'm thinking around 4B to the pilots alone.

Nothing should surprise you around here and nothing should be taken at face value, including the court system. Wether you recognize it or not; you work for organized crime and as long as you continue to look at USAPA as the source, you continue to be sidetracked, misled, and wasting time and money. USAir makes Enron look like amateurs and Arthur Anderson has nothing over this accounting dept.

We thought the crime figures hit a lowpoint with Bugsy Seigel but DUI Doug and his sidekick Scotch, under the guidance of Jerry the Gerbil have shown that there is no rock too low for these scum not to crawl out from underneath.

So continue to keep focused on the union and let the real thieves run amok.

V

You have got to be kidding me! You claim that the New US Aiirways is somehow stealing from you or cheating you? You are working under a contract negotiated by your representatives (and now affirmed by an arbitrator to continue until you negotiate a new contract - just like your CEO told you a dozen times).

I will agree on one point: USAPA didn't get us here initially. The AAA MEC got the party started by pulling out of the JNC talks. Bradford picked up that ball and ran with it. USAPA has failed virtually every legal battle. Making us share the bill to help you evade an arbitration and to persecute the Cactus 18 is a new low achievement for any human being.

Back to you revisionist history V......

 

[Boeing Driver]

No. Like all other addicts, they're going to "hit bottom" on their own. There is nothing we can do to help them. They're incapable of rational thought. Unfortunately the only thing that will get through to them is intense pain. Frankly I believe we're starting to hit that pain threshold. A few kernels have already popped and the frequency is increasing. By Spring, the whole kettle of popcorn will be exploding. Orville Reddenbacher has nothing on Judge Silver.

Now we wait. Many have reached the inescapable conclusion regarding the negotiability of the Nic Award...or stark lack there of.

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