US Pilots Labor Discussion

[No Land Green]

You have got to be kidding me! You claim that the New US Aiirways is somehow stealing from you or cheating you?

Don't worry cactus boy, you are not the only one blind to this, there are a whole bunch on the East that are too. Have a nice weekend in the sandbox.

NLG out.

 

[prechilill]

You have got to love the way the lowlife scumbags are just chatting amongst themselves now. Once again proving the lowest common denominator factor...

Boeing Driver

I love posts like this one, shows the anger from the "Angry FO" club so well. One day soon we will be working together, you haven't reached the acceptance stage yet but you will be there sooner than you think. You guys voted in Loa93 without so much of a hiccup so voting overwhelmingly to get a new contract with the seniority list Bob Siegel and co recognize will be no problem. You guys are the biggest liars to yourselves

Happy Holidays

 

[prechilill]

AAviator - Please don't pay any attention to the drivel of ole' Mr. Mu**. If you research the many thousands of posts he has created, you will find a very sick man behind them. He was the one predicting the "done deal" with UAL many years ago. Many of our brethren were foolish enough to follow his rantings and lost huge amounts of $$$ speculating on the now defunct UAL/US marriage.

Mr. Mu** is very much like Jim Jones and David Koresh...

He lives in a fantasy world, a very sick, pathetic one at that!

Yep you're right. It is downright unfair to David Koresh.

The east knife fights are getting serious! LOL
Holy cow things are falling apart over there. The splintering of the different groups will be interesting in coming months- I smell acceptance coming real soon.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

Well, with that line of thinking, I suppose the company has an obligation to return the money it extorted? What would that amount to by now without interest? I'm thinking around 4B to the pilots alone.

Nothing should surprise you around here and nothing should be taken at face value, including the court system. Wether you recognize it or not; you work for organized crime and as long as you continue to look at USAPA as the source, you continue to be sidetracked, misled, and wasting time and money. USAir makes Enron look like amateurs and Arthur Anderson has nothing over this accounting dept.

We thought the crime figures hit a lowpoint with Bugsy Seigel but DUI Doug and his sidekick Scotch, under the guidance of Jerry the Gerbil have shown that there is no rock too low for these scum not to crawl out from underneath.

So continue to keep focused on the union and let the real thieves run amok.

V

Individual America West Pilots had never been sued under an organized crime statute until usapa showed up though. Not by their company, not by their previous union.

 

[nic4us]

You have got to be kidding me! You claim that the New US Aiirways is somehow stealing from you or cheating you? You are working under a contract negotiated by your representatives (and now affirmed by an arbitrator to continue until you negotiate a new contract - just like your CEO told you a dozen times).

I will agree on one point: USAPA didn't get us here initially. The AAA MEC got the party started by pulling out of the JNC talks. Bradford picked up that ball and ran with it. USAPA has failed virtually every legal battle. Making us share the bill to help you evade an arbitration and to persecute the Cactus 18 is a new low achievement for any human being.

Back to you revisionist history V......

Well as a West pilot I know for a fact the company is stealing from me and cheating me.

We have an extra-contractual ACARS logic change, change iin health insurance, seniority violations as per the TA (this particular one does not effect me), a min block hour grievence that has not been paid, a training pay fiasco, etc. etc.etc.

Anybody checked the West fleet since the 737s are all gone? Would not surprise me on iota to find that West is below min fleet.

Further, the collusion between the company and usapa that pretty much guarantees that a West grievence would never be heard is borderline criminal. The company is also enabling usapa to steal dues/fees money from West pilots who are not represented, and they colluded in the training pay grievence to directly assault West pay.

 

[prechilill]

Further, the collusion between the company and usapa that pretty much guarantees that a West grievence would never be heard is borderline criminal. The company is also enabling usapa to steal dues/fees money from West pilots who are not represented, and they colluded in the training pay grievence to directly assault West pay.

Well said.

 

[nic4us]

Individual America West Pilots had never been sued under an organized crime statute until usapa showed up though. Not by their company, not by their previous union.

usapa ain't a union, and that is the problem.

usapa is a scab organization, founded to steal from a rather large percentage of the class it represents.

 

[fifidriver]

Well as a West pilot I know for a fact the company is stealing from me and cheating me.

We have an extra-contractual ACARS logic change, change iin health insurance, seniority violations as per the TA (this particular one does not effect me), a min block hour grievence that has not been paid, a training pay fiasco, etc. etc.etc.

Anybody checked the West fleet since the 737s are all gone? Would not surprise me on iota to find that West is below min fleet.

Further, the collusion between the company and usapa that pretty much guarantees that a West grievence would never be heard is borderline criminal. The company is also enabling usapa to steal dues/fees money from West pilots who are not represented, and they colluded in the training pay grievence to directly assault West pay.

Thanks for the help USAPA.... Not!!!!

 

[cactusboy53]

Well as a West pilot I know for a fact the company is stealing from me and cheating me.

We have an extra-contractual ACARS logic change, change iin health insurance, seniority violations as per the TA (this particular one does not effect me), a min block hour grievence that has not been paid, a training pay fiasco, etc. etc.etc.

Anybody checked the West fleet since the 737s are all gone? Would not surprise me on iota to find that West is below min fleet.

Further, the collusion between the company and usapa that pretty much guarantees that a West grievence would never be heard is borderline criminal. The company is also enabling usapa to steal dues/fees money from West pilots who are not represented, and they colluded in the training pay grievence to directly assault West pay.

All true. The company is pulling anything they can with the west, because they know that USAPA is the un-union. I was only commenting on V's revisionist history of how the new US Airways is screwing them because they still work under LOA93 with no end in sight.

BTW, the company is keeping what B737 airframes on "property" until all the A321's (that make just the fleet minimum) arrive. The remaining Airbus' should be here within this month.

The dues issue is unfortunately one that is a legal quagmire: USAPA is legally entitled to the dues under the law. The company under penalty of law must fire anyone USAPA says is not paying dues to the "union". By bare technical definition we are represented. These conditions will not change until enough East pilots are fed up the USAPA and its antics. There is a National Officer election coming up. We'll see who runs, and we will see what happens.

My request: If you are not a member in good standing, please do what ever you need to now so that you can vote and participate.

 

[Move2CLT]

You have got to love the way the lowlife scumbags are just chatting amongst themselves now. Once again proving the lowest common denominator factor...

Boeing Driver

Said the east guy.

No wonder the industry doesn't think much of you guys.

And you give everything away too. You are your own worst enemies and we out west will make sure Cleary keeps you moving in the right direction.

Merry Christmas! LMAO.

And enjoy it while you can. More bad news for you guys just after the new year.

 

[aquagreen73s]

Said the east guy.

No wonder the industry doesn't think much of you guys.

Move, it's not the East pilot population as a whole causing all this mayhem. It's a small percentage, maybe 10% at the most. That small subgroup manifests every characteristic of psychopathy. They care of no one but themselves, which is precisely why they are content to hold the rest of us hostage, East and West. It's why I take them at face value when they say they'll sit on LOA93 indefinitely. I believe that they actually mean what they say when they rejoice in others' miseries whether we're talking about West furloughs or vilifying East pilots who just want to move on and get a pay raise (pink panties award).That's the bad news. The good news is that they are grossly outnumbered. Psychopaths like Stalin, Pol Pot and Hitler must have absolute control of their populations to survive. Fortunately, we have the means to deny absolute control to the psychopaths who have wrought so much harm on East and West pilots. That's why every Airways pilot must be a MIGS and must vote.

 

[nevergiveup]

usapa ain't a union, and that is the problem.

usapa is a scab organization, founded to steal from a rather large percentage of the class it represents.

You had the world in your hands and let it slip away to be replaced with USAPA.

 

[luvn737s]

When pigs fly (and I don't mean A321s either).

Driver...

OK, then you agree that USAPA can't simply delay presenting a contract to vote on so that a few more east pilots can get the upgrades, etc. that Nicolau felt they were not entitled to. USAPA cannot have DOH as a foundation of their constitution as it substantially biases the benefits of the union in the favor of one side at the expense of the other. They can back away from DOH, honor the arbitration and serve all the pilots, or it must go away.

 

[Phoenix]

East Talks to West.

West coalition talks to East.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

You had the world in your hands and let it slip away to be replaced with USAPA.

......disregard, I was thinking something else