US Pilots Labor Discussion

[fatherabraham]

Vote for who you want. But I'm sick of folks bitching about union members (who have finally stopped the ALPA arterial bleeding) and who are pretending that a counter revolution in the ranks will do anything other than enrich those who want to be in charge again.

Besides, anything that Chip thinks is a sure thing, isn't. 😀

Phoenix,

What a great post! Wish and pray the majority get it.

FA

 

[Move2CLT]

Phoenix,

What a great post! Wish and pray the majority get it.

FA

You're f'ing kidding right?!? What about the USAPA arterial bleeding? Parella and Cleary working from home pulling in pay well above the line.

PIC over budget.

Highest dues rates and operating in the red? And you're ok with that?

 

[Metroyet]

You're f'ing kidding right?!? What about the USAPA arterial bleeding? Parella and Cleary working from home pulling in pay well above the line.

PIC over budget.

Highest dues rates and operating in the red? And you're ok with that?

Do you honestly think people arrogant enough to have attempted at DOH cram down and cheered on the "union" as it attempted to violate every West Pilots rights under established labor law are somehow going to realize how wrong they were....and ADMIT it? Hell No. Cleary and his dwindling followers are the perfect mix of Mental Illness and stupidity. They're beyond help and reason.

 

[Move2CLT]

Do you honestly think people arrogant enough to have attempted at DOH cram down and cheered on the "union" as it attempted to violate every West Pilots rights under established labor law are somehow going to realize how wrong they were....and ADMIT it? Hell No. Cleary and his dwindling followers are the perfect mix of Mental Illness and stupidity. They're beyond help and reason.

You're right.

I'm going to show them how right they are by voting for Cleary.

They can continue to live with their correctness.

 

[aquagreen73s]

It all matters not. The final phase of consolidation will probably be here in '12 and the Nic is it. They can either get a contract now with the Nic, or go through a transaction which puts everything on hold for another couple of years but still ends with the Nic.

 

[Metroyet]

It all matters not. The final phase of consolidation will probably be here in '12 and the Nic is it. They can either get a contract now with the Nic, or go through a transaction which puts everything on hold for another couple of years but still ends with the Nic.

I think this thing with American is already a done deal. They have plenty on their plate to keep them busy during the reorganization so I really doubt they're in any rush to get something done as far as announcing a merger in concerned. It's going to be complicated enough so I can see no reason why they wouldn't wait for the seniority issues to be fully resolved before fixing a PID. You'll know when the American deal is ready to be announced when Parker goes around the fake "Union" and makes a decent contract offer directly to the pilots...an offer he knows will pass. Nic. Inclusive of course. Even then, there's no rush. There is no other conceivable entity that could be merging with American. One dance partner left and she's not going anywhere. I predict a contract vote in 2012 with an 85% chance of passing Nic. Inclusive.

Then the Merger...and it will REALLY hit the fan.

 

[Pi brat]

I predict a contract vote in 2012 with an 85% chance of passing Nic. Inclusive.

Then the Merger...and it will REALLY hit the fan.

Noted. I predict that this time next year we will be in the same place we are today. We'll see.

 

[N924PS]

Noted. I predict that this time next year we will be in the same place we are today. We'll see.

I believe you will be correct in your prediction.

Happy New Year in spite of our mutual pessimism!

 

[A320 Driver]

Noted. I predict that this time next year we will be in the same place we are today. We'll see.

I also agree. While the NIC situation may indeed be settled sometime in the near future, that by no means indicates the company will want to loosen the purse strings and fork out for a contract...why should they??? Because it's the right thing to do??? Don't make me laugh.

As far as American goes, why do they need us? They have their DIP financing sitting in the bank. What is it that we bring to the party that is so beneficial to them? From what I have read so far, they are headed down the same road as US Airways Banruptcy 1. Management and employees in various states of denial over that actual state of the airline.

Driver...

 

[Res Judicata]

Noted. I predict that this time next year we will be in the same place we are today. We'll see.

Which would you honestly prefer? Status quo LOA93, or a nic inclusive industry standard contract? What if it has been made abundantly clear to all concerned parties, (via Federal Court) that the nic is cast in stone. What do you prefer then?

 

[A320 Driver]

Which would you honestly prefer? Status quo LOA93, or a nic inclusive industry standard contract? What if it has been made abundantly clear to all concerned parties, (via Federal Court) that the nic is cast in stone. What do you prefer then?

You have more chance of getting the NIC than you do getting a contract. I've stated this numerous times and it gets very little traction around here. There is NO reason for management to want a contract with performance numbers setting records and at the same time, paying bankruptcy wages.

Driver...

 

[PullUp]

Which would you honestly prefer? Status quo LOA93, or a nic inclusive industry standard contract? What if it has been made abundantly clear to all concerned parties, (via Federal Court) that the nic is cast in stone. What do you prefer then?

Not yet cast in stone. Probably around April when the judge adjudicates the DJ and renders her decision - then I'll concede that it'll be cast in stone.
I don't think it'll be appeallable and I think mgmt. will accept it as gospel, whatever the outcome.
But, once it IS cast in stone, I'm all for utilizing that decision to bring about a new contract.
But I also agree that mgmt. does not want a new contract that does not contain concessions.
Ergo, no contract - unless a merger is in the making (and I think that is a strong possibility) - and the company sweetens the pot to get it passed.
Cheers.

 

[Move2CLT]

Noted. I predict that this time next year we will be in the same place we are today. We'll see.

You are so spot on that I gave you a +1.

 

[USA320Pilot]

DCA Update: December 25, 2011

Fellow DCA pilots,

Since our last update on alleged email impropriety, the Board of Pilot Representatives has met in person for a full day on December 8, and then followed up with a three hour conference call on the 13th. As stated previously, we believed that the entire board needed to have the opportunity to develop a plan to ensure USAPA was protected in this area. Ultimately the BPR passed a resolution disavowing any participation or endorsement of the alleged action and a clear statement that no legal defense will be paid for anyone found to be involved.

We had no desire to entertain agenda items of personal attacks on any officer but only maintained the wish to develop an official policy by the BPR on the facts to date. When asked, attorney Brian O'Dwyer stated the resolution we proffered was in fact a good idea. He then reviewed it and edited it with our consent prior to submission to the board. The resolution passed unanimously after board discussion.

During the conference call continuation of the meeting on December 13, the BPR received an update on the PIC and a possible $130,000 deficit. The PIC chairman asked for an audit and after discussion a resolution was passed directing the President to gather information for possible selection of an outside auditing firm and the associated costs to be presented to the BPR. This should be considered after the regular annual USAPA audit of the PIC accounts.

Finally, a number of committee chairman and vice chairman appointments made by the President were submitted to the board for approval in a single resolution. We do not support chairman appointments particularly for full flight pay loss jobs without vacancies being posted to the pilot group and interviews for the positions. The Union Operating Manual, (UOM) allows for this: "The President may call for interviews for committee assignments to be conducted at BPR meetings.", but it is not a requirement. The Constitution gives the President the power to appoint, "subject to the advice and approval of the Board of Pilot Representatives", "subject to a vote of approval by the Board". We simply tried to separate the appointments into individual motions to seek board consensus to ask the President to take advantage of the UOM interview potential and for the BPR to contribute "advice." We were unable to get the interview topic added to the resolution since it was not specifically on the agenda even though we believed it an integral part of the committee appointment process. With the exception of the Bereavement Chairman, the group appointment motion failed to pass 6 to 5 and time ran out on the call prior to attempting additional individual appointment actions.

Of note, we moved an increase of over $100000 to the communications budget to keep the committee functioning since they were out of money. The committee has money, members and works under the direction of the President. It still needs a Board approved chairman and vice chairman. The system worked as written. Allegations of political motivation were aired and a number of split votes were cast. There was however no secret deals or alliances or attempts to harm our union. Votes rarely are unanimous and are frequently 8 to 3, 5 to 6 and 6 to 5. Our union continues to function and follow the rules. Incidentally, since DCA votes after CLT, any votes of the PHX base matching us were cast after we voted. Perhaps the west pilots need to ask if their reps are teaming up with your representatives.

We remain committed to protecting the best interest of you, our constituents and all USAirways pilots. We will continue to work to protect our legal, financial and collective rights in 100% support of the USAPA Constitution and the Date of Hire provisions contained in it.

Last but not least, Merry Christmas, Happy New Year and Happy Holidays to all of you. We sincerely hope you may enjoy some portion of the holidays with family and friends.

Fraternally,

Joe & Pete

DCA Update said: "During the conference call continuation of the meeting on December 13, the BPR received an update on the PIC and a possible $130,000 deficit. The PIC chairman asked for an audit and after discussion a resolution was passed directing the President to gather information for possible selection of an outside auditing firm and the associated costs to be presented to the BPR. This should be considered after the regular annual USAPA audit of the PIC accounts.

USA320Pilot asks: USAPA's PIC has 7 pilots on FPL, it has not provided a single benefit to the pilots, and the assessment is approaching its 3-year term. Now we find out from the DCA Reps (since the BPR update excluded this point in their udpate) that the PIC has a $130,000 possible deficit. In addition, the Communications Committee appears to be out of money too, but they have money acccording to the DCA Reps.

The DCA Reps told the pilots, "we moved an increase of over $100,000 to the communications budget to keep the committee functioning since they were out of money. The committee has money members and works under the direction of the President."

Does the Comm Committee have money or is the additional $100,000 to pay for FPL since both the Chairman and Vice-Chairman have resigned? And, do they need more money when they apparently do not tell the pilots the whole story?

With the union having nearly a $2 million deficit, a $130,000 possible PIC deficit, and the Communcations Committee needing another $100,000 should USAPA increase its already industry leading dues and assess the pilots a fourth time for the PIC Investigaton?

USA320Pilot

 

[SparrowHawk]

I vote we change the name to this thread.


It should be called "The Electrolux Thread" as all that's here is 3814 pages of "You Suck"