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[USA320Pilot]

The BPR Could Not Complete its Work Due to a Lack of Quorum

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Update for December 29, 2011

Quick Fact #219: The December BPR meeting was suspended and the BPR could not complete its work due to a lack of quorum because several Board members left for flights home. To complete the agenda a telephonic meeting was conducted the following week where BPR members could have once again received another day of FPL. Should the pilots know which Board members left the meeting early?

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[Pi brat]

The BPR Could Not Complete its Work Due to a Lack of Quorum

Dear Subscriber,

Update for December 29, 2011

Quick Fact #219: The December BPR meeting was suspended and the BPR could not complete its work due to a lack of quorum because several Board members left for flights home. To complete the agenda a telephonic meeting was conducted the following week where BPR members could have once again received another day of FPL. Should the pilots know which Board members left the meeting early?

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This has been covered, it's not a great conspiracy, it was the west members. Now, are you going to chastise them?

 

[USA320Pilot]

This has been covered, it's not a great conspiracy, it was the west members. Now, are you going to chastise them?

Four points:

1. I simply forward information.

2. I believe the BPR's lack of a quorom further illustrates USAPA's total dysfunction and inability to represent the pilots.

3. US Airways' pilots are approaching the end of their fourth year with USAPA as the pilot's CBA. Today US Airways' pilots remain the lowest paid in the industry, they have a Preliminary Injunction court order wrapped around their neck, new contract negotiations are rumored to be parked by the NMB according to the union's president, the union has a $2 million deficit with the Communications and Pension Investigation Committee's broke, USAPA members are the highest union taxed pilots in the entire U.S., and there is no signs that a new contract is forthcoming.

4. I believe USAPA is a total failure.

 

[Metroyet]

4. I believe USAPA is a total failure.

If USAPA was intended to actually BE a labor union you'd be correct. However it's sole purpose in Life was to be formed as a weapon to be used unmercifully upon a minority group that was assumed couldn't protect themselves...oh wait. You're right. Total Failure.

The East pilots made this mess and they're the only ones that can clean it up...for now at least. Until that realization takes hold, we'll just sit here and wait.

 

[88 B.T.D.]

Do you know what an iPad is boo boo?

GoodReader app will take care of that. It's only $ 1.99 the last time I looked.

 

[Pi brat]

Four points:

1. I simply forward information.

2. I believe the BPR's lack of a quorom further illustrates USAPA's total dysfunction and inability to represent the pilots.

3. US Airways' pilots are approaching the end of their fourth year with USAPA as the pilot's CBA. Today US Airways' pilots remain the lowest paid in the industry, they have a Preliminary Injunction court order wrapped around their neck, new contract negotiations are rumored to be parked by the NMB according to the union's president, the union has a $2 million deficit with the Communications and Pension Investigation Committee's broke, USAPA members are the highest union taxed pilots in the entire U.S., and there is no signs that a new contract is forthcoming.

4. I believe USAPA is a total failure.

I think that even the most diehard USAPA supporters would agree that it is a mess, but everyone still blames everyone else. Like what you posted. No facts, just a question, leading everyone to come to the conclusion that it is the other sides fault. Most of the stuff you post from them(really not you? most think it is.) does nothing to help out situation. You told me a long time ago that you agree with me about unsigned postings, so why do you continue to forward them?

 

[cleardirect]

This has been covered, it's not a great conspiracy, it was the west members. Now, are you going to chastise them?

Try reading the C&BL. Stop the blame. A quorum is a majority of the board. 11 people so a majority means 6. If the 3 west reps left there is still a majority of 8.

Now CLT is redefining the term majority to mean only when CLT wins is it a majority but so far Cleary has not suspended the rules completely and 6/5 still carries the vote.

 

[Pi brat]

Try reading the C&BL. Stop the blame. A quorum is a majority of the board. 11 people so a majority means 6. If the 3 west reps left there is still a majority of 8.

Now CLT is redefining the term majority to mean only when CLT wins is it a majority but so far Cleary has not suspended the rules completely and 6/5 still carries the vote.

Save it. I was replying to USA320 and his conspiracy machine. He asked who left, again, not me. I don't really care if they left, but they did by their own admission.

 

[cactusboy53]

Save it. I was replying to USA320 and his conspiracy machine. He asked who left, again, not me. I don't really care if they left, but they did by their own admission.

Oh I see, much like the CLT BPR you see that when the "Date of Hire" gang loses some resolution it is a CONSPIRACY and completely the west's fault. When the CLT BPR wins a resolution, it's DEMOCRACY!

Keep hanging on tight Pi, the end is near (and I'm not talking about 12/21/2012)!

 

[Pi brat]

Oh I see, much like the CLT BPR you see that when the "Date of Hire" gang loses some resolution it is a CONSPIRACY and completely the west's fault. When the CLT BPR wins a resolution, it's DEMOCRACY!

Keep hanging on tight Pi, the end is near (and I'm not talking about 12/21/2012)!

You can save it too.

 

[Move2CLT]

Oh I see, much like the CLT BPR you see that when the "Date of Hire" gang loses some resolution it is a CONSPIRACY and completely the west's fault. When the CLT BPR wins a resolution, it's DEMOCRACY!

Keep hanging on tight Pi, the end is near (and I'm not talking about 12/21/2012)!

Spot on.

 

[CallawayGolf]

Since you have assumed that PI's contentment rests upon his abundance, and you are perfectly content no matter what happens, did it ever occur to you that you and PI both can be perfectly content if you vote against your own interests and in favor of PI's abundance? (Just saying, since the Nic isn't your concern.)

When was the last time a vote was taken on the accepting/rejecting the NIC or on a TA for a JCBA? I don't recall any of these issues being offered up to a vote. It's a myth to say that if the west pilots would do something different that this would all be over. Look at the Company's testimony before judge Silver and show me where they have ever said they would have accepted USAPA's non-NIC seniority list if it were not for the west pilots. The west pilots have no power over the negotiating process and have no say in what seniority list is used. That's not to say that the west pilots are sitting idly by waiting for USAPA and Management to come to an agreement, but all the west pilots can really do is expose the potential legal liabilities that may come from a particular decision one or both parties may make. If there were no legal basis for protecting the west pilots' rights, then USAPA and Management wouldn't give them a forum to be heard (not suggesting that USAPA does without Management or the courts forcing them to).

Therefore, even if I accepted your premise that my vote should be used to aide Pi's plight to get off of LOA93 and retain his best possible position on the integrated seniority list, where is/was the election ballot upon which that could be done? In reality, my vote is always one of conscience rather than personal gain. There have been times when a particular issue would likely result in a direct benefit to me, but I fundamentally disagreed with the principles represented by the measure and thus I voted no even though the implication of that vote was that I was voting against my own financial gain. As a voter I separate personal interests from my fundamental principles.

So if the city, state of feds offered me a chance to vote on a measure that would increase taxes on non-residents (hotel, rental car surcharges for example), and would use those funds in such a way as to almost guarantee an increase in my property value (building a freeway or ballpark or whatever) I would still vote 'no' because I will absolutely never vote for a tax increase no matter what the issue or cause may be. Bribing me to vote to harm someone else so that I can gain personally does not work on me. In the same way, if NIC had ordered the list by DOH, there is no amount of promised benefits to me personally that would cause me to seek to overturn a final and binding arbitration for personal gain. That kind of unscrupulous political maneuvering quid pro quo may work on some people, but it would never work on me if it means violating my fundamental principles/core values.

 

[Move2CLT]

GoodReader app will take care of that. It's only $ 1.99 the last time I looked.

I beta tested that app so obviously have it. But once again the east lack of tech knowledge surfaces.

I couldn't upload to this forum for obvious reasons and would prefer to avoid the effort of hosting it if someone has already done so.

Hence my request.

Do you understand what I just wrote?

 

[Move2CLT]

Save it. I was replying to USA320 and his conspiracy machine. He asked who left, again, not me. I don't really care if they left, but they did by their own admission.

Save what. Do you understand what a quorum is?

 

[88 B.T.D.]

I beta tested that app so obviously have it. But once again the east lack of tech knowledge surfaces.

I couldn't upload to this forum for obvious reasons and would prefer to avoid the effort of hosting it if someone has already done so.

Hence my request.

Do you understand what I just wrote?

The other option is TeamViewer which is free, which allows you to control your computer at home (the one you say has the files and can upload) with your iPad.