US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Pi brat]

Now look at the west, one consensual candidate for each position. We will vote as one, as the saying goes, together we stand or divided we fall.

What? Have you not read uhual's posts, seen his avatar or the Vote For Cleary buttons on the AWF/Os? You aren't telling me that is an elaborate rue, are you? Well, not so elaborate, but you get the point.

 

[HonuFly]

I'm sure it is not a ruse. We put a candidate forward, one candidate, not a shot gun effect of who ever.
Cleary has been the best thing for the west so far, and until all the facts are in and the candidates have had a chance to put their campaign out their, cleary remains the best choice.
When the wests votes, it will be for one candidate.
H

 

[Pi brat]

I'm sure it is not a ruse. We put a candidate forward, one candidate, not a shot gun effect of who ever.
Cleary has been the best thing for the west so far, and until all the facts are in and the candidates have had a chance to put their campaign out their, cleary remains the best choice.
When the wests votes, it will be for one candidate.
H

We'll see, but I'm not buying it. The west friends I have talked to don't either. Everyone of them feel that they will prevail on the Nic and there is not need to install a group of officer they don't believe in just to secure the Nic.

The majority of the west might vote for one candidate, but I think that will be Ferguson.

 

[USA320Pilot]

The BPR's Spcecial Meeting Update on January 24, 2012 said: "Captain Mowrey then addressed recent crime issues having occurred at or nearby the USAPA Office. This includes a stolen laptop from VP Mowrey's office, and the assault and severe injury of a Sheraton Four Points hotel employee nearby USAPA headquarters. The hotel employee was beaten severely with baseball bats and this is believed by Charlotte Police Department to be a possible gang initiation. It was also stressed that all volunteers and visitors be vigilant and extremely careful when leaving the office."

USA320Pilot comments: Let me get this straight. There is now an increase in crime near the Sterling Hotel and at USAPA's Headquarters where a thief broke into USAPA's office, bypassed the video security system, broke into Mowery's office, and stole his computer that all went undetected? And, the thief was undetected by the office building's security system too?

It's election time and current EVP, Compass Coalition Candidate, and now USAPA president candidate Gary Hummel lead the effort to locate USAPA's headquarters at the current alleged crime infested location. Is USAPA's current leadership attempting to discredit Hummel since he objected to Cleary's attempt to force the headquarters move to a more expensive location?

Have the UEL political attacks and demagoguery started in a desperate attempt by USAPA's leadership to maintain control of the union?

In addition, Lee Seham is moving forward with his legal action against Mowrey for alleged email impropriety. Did Mowrey throw his laptop into the bottom of Lake Norman to destroy evidence that could be subpoenaed and used against him?

Did USAPA's expenses go up when Mowrey ordered a new computer for his personal use immediately before his VP tenure ends? If Mowrey takes his new computer home following the election as a line pilot will USAPA attempt to recover their property?

With the Permanent Injunction in place and the last NMB mediated negotiating session tomorrow has USAPA provided US Airways' pilots with one single benefit? And, with rumors floating that pilot discipline and terminations will increase what useful benefit is USAPA to US Airways' pilots?

With the continued prospect of destructive east-west pilot relationships after USAPA's officer election would US Airways' pilots be better off rejoining ALPA based on the national union's track record at other carriers or disbanding USAPA and being non represented pilots?

Are US Airways' pilots headed to 3 more years like the past 3 years if east candidates win USAPA's officer elections? If the ReformUSAPA candidates win the election will the pilots see the RC4 double to the RC8 and then Ferguson firing all USAPA Committee members and replacing them with West pilots? Will the pilot civil war continue with greater intensity at the expense of the line pilots?

When will the pilots decide to put the past behind them and to work together because it's the best way to succeed? Or is it about power, greed, and ego instead?

 

[Harry Callahan]

I will make one comment ref. the area around this hotel spoken off, by far not the best place to be in Clt according to some of my CMPD friends.

 

[Piedmont1984]

I will make one comment ref. the area around this hotel spoken off, by far not the best place to be in Clt according to some of my CMPD friends.

Yeah but the Messican food is very good and the high tension wires nearby increase your metabolism while you sleep. Eat and drink all you want and lose weight!

 

[Pi brat]

I will make one comment ref. the area around this hotel spoken off, by far not the best place to be in Clt according to some of my CMPD friends.

I've heard the same but this goes much deeper. It's a political fight. Heck, the CLT employee parking lot has had it's issues too! ;-)

 

[BoeingBoy]

I really don't get you. That statement is not true, or at least not completely true. I explained to you about Nos/Sum. There is a difference in calling someone a scab, drug runner and calling them a child molester.

You keep digging that hole while proving my point over and over. Sure there's a difference - the child molester was an eastie. Your pal Nosumapclax repeatedly lied about me personally, lies which some of your other east pals perpetuate still. Where were the offended sensibilities then? How many times has the scab title been thrown at the westies - thousands? Where are those offended sensibilities? Claxon continues the tradition and gets positive votes from easties for doing so.

Take your hypocrisy and stick it somewhere uncomfortable. I couldn't care less. Till you or jetjok own this place I'll post where or what I want. Don't like it, use the ignore feature - wouldn't want poor Pb to be offended now, would we?

 

[3dtv]

I will make one comment ref. the area around this hotel spoken off, by far not the best place to be in Clt according to some of my CMPD friends.

The "attack" was after a guy leaving the strip club yelled at a passing car. The laptop was most likely "lost" not stolen. The office location saves hundreds of thiusands of dues dollars. Obviously election season.

 

[Pi brat]

You keep digging that hole while proving my point over and over. Sure there's a difference - the child molester was an eastie. Your pal Nosumapclax repeatedly lied about me personally, lies which some of your other east pals perpetuate still. Where were the offended sensibilities then? How many times has the scab title been thrown at the westies - thousands? Where are those offended sensibilities? Claxon continues the tradition and gets positive votes from easties for doing so.

Take your hypocrisy and stick it somewhere uncomfortable. I couldn't care less. Till you or jetjok own this place I'll post where or what I want. Don't like it, use the ignore feature - wouldn't want poor Pb to be offended now, would we?

No, you prove my point. Where were those sensibilities, in that very post above where I took on Nos/Sum. I have defended YOU, and said that I thought the reason that you support the Nic is that you believe relative position/slot is fundamentally more fair and you had the right to believe that.

You know what Jim, I pity you. You didn't ask for it, you don't want it, but I forgive you.

 

[HonuFly]

We'll see, but I'm not buying it. The west friends I have talked to don't either. Everyone of them feel that they will prevail on the Nic and there is not need to install a group of officer they don't believe in just to secure the Nic.

The majority of the west might vote for one candidate, but I think that will be Ferguson.

You are free to think what you want.
Point is, the east is fractionalized as witnessed by the sheer number of potential candidates. The west is not
H

 

[USA320Pilot]

The BPR's Spcecial Meeting Update on January 24, 2012 said: "Captain Mowrey then addressed recent crime issues having occurred at or nearby the USAPA Office. This includes a stolen laptop from VP Mowrey's office, and the assault and severe injury of a Sheraton Four Points hotel employee nearby USAPA headquarters. The hotel employee was beaten severely with baseball bats and this is believed by Charlotte Police Department to be a possible gang initiation. It was also stressed that all volunteers and visitors be vigilant and extremely careful when leaving the office."

USA320Pilot comments: Let me get this straight. There is now an increase in crime near the Sterling Hotel and at USAPA's Headquarters where a thief broke into USAPA's office, bypassed the video security system, broke into Mowery's office, and stole his computer that all went undetected? And, the thief was undetected by the office building's security system too?

It's election time and current EVP, Compass Coalition Candidate, and now USAPA president candidate Gary Hummel lead the effort to locate USAPA's headquarters at the current alleged crime infested location. Is USAPA's current leadership attempting to discredit Hummel since he objected to Cleary's attempt to force the headquarters move to a more expensive location?

Have the UEL political attacks and demagoguery started in a desperate attempt by USAPA's leadership to maintain control of the union?

In addition, Lee Seham is moving forward with his legal action against Mowrey for alleged email impropriety. Did Mowrey throw his laptop into the bottom of Lake Norman to destroy evidence that could be subpoenaed and used against him?

Did USAPA's expenses go up when Mowrey ordered a new computer for his personal use immediately before his VP tenure ends? If Mowrey takes his new computer home following the election as a line pilot will USAPA attempt to recover their property?

With the Permanent Injunction in place and the last NMB mediated negotiating session tomorrow has USAPA provided US Airways' pilots with one single benefit? And, with rumors floating that pilot discipline and terminations will increase what useful benefit is USAPA to US Airways' pilots?

With the continued prospect of destructive east-west pilot relationships after USAPA's officer election would US Airways' pilots be better off rejoining ALPA based on the national union's track record at other carriers or disbanding USAPA and being non represented pilots?

Are US Airways' pilots headed to 3 more years like the past 3 years if east candidates win USAPA's officer elections? If the ReformUSAPA candidates win the election will the pilots see the RC4 double to the RC8 and then Ferguson firing all USAPA Committee members and replacing them with West pilots? Will the pilot civil war continue with greater intensity at the expense of the line pilots?

When will the pilots decide to put the past behind them and to work together because it's the best way to succeed? Or is it about power, greed, and ego instead?

And, the alleged thief took nothing else from USAPA's WWHQ's -- only Mowrey's computer... :huh:

 

[HonuFly]

So now it is official, Useless air is going to bid on another bankrupt airline.
So how much money is in usappy's merger fund? With usapa that is almost broke, going up against an even more righteous group than the easties, this is going to be ugly.
If the east did not spend 10 million in a charlatan lawyer, chasing an impossible dream, that money could have been put in the merger fund so we all will be protected in the event of a merger. Now the west is along for a ride with a group that cannot punch their way out of a wet paper bag.
It will be a miracle if we all keep our jobs, give up on ever even trying for DOH with no merger fund and no lawyer on retainer to go to bat for us as a group.
With this election coming up, the east better do a gut check. Continue down this impossible path and get totally steamrolled by APA or band together and focus on the new front that will affect everyone at the "new useless airways".
At least look at the bright side, we can finally kill off the name usair.
H

 

[Phoenix]

I will make one comment ref. the area around this hotel spoken off, by far not the best place to be in Clt according to some of my CMPD friends.

That part of town is an arm pit. My apology to arm pits.

 

[Reed Richards]

The "attack" was after a guy leaving the strip club yelled at a passing car. The laptop was most likely "lost" not stolen. The office location saves hundreds of thiusands of dues dollars. Obviously election season.

Cleary and Mowrey have been trying to discredit the Office location all along, all the while having stayed across the street in perfect safety for 4 years. Easier to stumble back to their rooms from the biker bar nearby. The office safety issue is a red herring. Its over, done, and voted on by the BPR. Cleary thought the new digs were not nice enough for when his friends at the Teamsters, CAPA, and SWAPA visited him. Ooops. They won't be calling.

CC just posted the Teamster letter I was talking about last night. Someone else can post that.


As to Randy's tragic and convenient loss...the real truth is a "dingo ate his computer." Its the only explanation that makes sense, other than it being at the bottom of some lake.

RR