US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Pi brat]

Wait- PI Brat couldn't even drink a beer legally when daddy got him a job? Holy Cow! This dude really is a brat, maybe even a punk! PiPunk, I like that.

Punk huh? That stings coming from the drainage of the gene pool.

Care to admit you were wrong about my age?

BTW do you fly the Airbus?

 

[fodase]

Just got this in my inbox, this is the west candidates;

www.fergusonforpresident.com

www.koontzforvp.com

 

[Move2CLT]

No you moron. I didn't vote for LOA 93 nor did any of my PSA buddies that I know of.

Now crawl back under your rock, Claxon, or whichever one of your multiple pseudonyms you choose to use.

Damn this is entertaining stuff!!!

 

[Move2CLT]

The weakest group were treated fairly by AAA and now this moron wants to redo his list after his group was the beneficiary of the fairest treatment. No wonder that Cali is such a wacky western state. What do they teach you kids out there in wacky land? No wonder OJ got off. Nobody has any sense!

LMAO!!!!!

You go girl!!!!!

 

[prechilill]

Care to admit you were wrong about my age?

Yes, I was wrong... Your silver spoon was bigger than I had thought.

 

[crazystnic]

Just got this in my inbox, this is the west candidates;

www.fergusonforpresident.com

www.koontzforvp.com

yeah great, what a solution.. Implement the list , pretend nothing happened and move on.
blame it on the FO's...
this guy is an idiot...

but I believe the wrong of the NIC will never be put in place.

I ask my fellow east pilots to never forget the damage done by this Man... Nicalau.

a quote from one of the most supportive leaders in regard to organized labor.

“For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream shall never die.” Ted Kennedy.

 

[cleardirect]

yeah great, what a solution.. Implement the list , pretend nothing happened and move on.
blame it on the FO's...
this guy is an idiot...

but I believe the wrong of the NIC will never be put in place.

I ask my fellow east pilots to never forget the damage done by this Man... Nicalau.

a quote from one of the most supportive leaders in regard to organized labor.

“For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream shall never die.” Ted Kennedy.

So what is your solution? Keep following the same leaders doing the same thing? How is that working out for you?

At least Ferguson is willing to pretend it did not happen and move on. Would you prefer that you get force fed the Nicolau and the west come after the east for damages and be vindictive like the east has been for 5 years?

Remember what all you east guys said in the beginning? Don't need the west for anything. The east is the majority and you can do whatever you want. How is that working?

For 25 years you guys have been fighting and divided and getting nowhere. Why would you guys not want to try something different?

 

[luvthe9]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVOGlsDwec0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

[crazystnic]

So what is your solution? Keep following the same leaders doing the same thing? How is that working out for you?

At least Ferguson is willing to pretend it did not happen and move on. Would you prefer that you get force fed the Nicolau and the west come after the east for damages and be vindictive like the east has been for 5 years?

Remember what all you east guys said in the beginning? Don't need the west for anything. The east is the majority and you can do whatever you want. How is that working?

For 25 years you guys have been fighting and divided and getting nowhere. Why would you guys not want to try something different?

you don't want to hear my solution.. so why should I bother...and no it's not DOH with C+R's

 

[Res Judicata]

you don't want to hear my solution.. so why should I bother...and no it's not DOH with C+R's

Die on Loa 93...paid lower than what American is asking for in BK then claim victory?

 

[crazystnic]

Die on Loa 93...paid lower than what American is asking for in BK then claim victory?

will do, thanks for the support and all.. cheerio

 

[Metroyet]

will do, thanks for the support and all.. cheerio

.....

 

[oscarjazz]

Pride and ignorance seem to be a hallmark of way too many people in this country. Those are the main reasons why there was a keep my Delta campaign. Lee Moak was a pure opportunist only interested in taking the national spotlight and going all in to make a name for himself. IMO he couldn't care less what happend to Delta or the pilots he was supposed to be speaking for. If he was interested in creating a valuable and competitive company able to face the challenges of the precarious airline industry, he would have actually looked at the US offer and seen that this was far better for his company than any stand-alone plan. There was no way to know at that point that a merger with NW was a real possibility and if that transaction had not happened Delta would likely have been in big trouble since their stand-alone reorganization plan was rather anemic. The Parker deal would have infused significant cash into the business and would have given the merged (acquired combined airline) significant pricing power in a marker plagued by over competition and terrible margins in comparison to other successful industries. The DL/NW merger didn't infuse any new cash into the two airlines and there was very little pricing power gained in the transaction in comparison to the US/DL plan. So they gained a little bit of overall health and staying power, but nothing compared to what might have been with Doug leading the way.

The east pilots' intransigence regarding their contractual obligations certainly didn't help the DL, UA, or AA merger plans of US over the years, but I never said it was all their (your) fault. It's a factor to be sure, but it is not the only reason. Mergers are uncomfortable for executives, shareholders, employees and customers so it's no wonder that these groups often let fear and ignorance guide them rather than facts, reason, and objective evaluations. If US executives and the unsecured creditors would have had any other choice back in 2005, they may have well passed in the AWA merger too and thus sealed the ultimate demise of your former stand alone company.

Wow, there might be a few things more you could have gotten wrong in that post, but I doubt it. In case you forgot, Dougie was going to get rid of our entire MD-88 fleet. That would put 1/3 of the Delta pilots on the street. Certainly that would be something worth fighting. You say our reorganization plan was anemic and yet the first year out of bankruptcy I got a $15,000 profit sharing check in February. Pretty anemic.

The DL/NW merger did not need any extra cash, we had over $6 billion in cash combined, why borrow more money when you don't need it. I was on the Delta MEC at the time of the US Air offer and thus I was making the decisions (as part of a team) and not Lee Moak. There was unanimous consent that we wanted nothing to do with US Airways and their failed leadership both at the corporate and union levels. The entire MEC camped out in Washington for several weeks to lobby Congress to oppose this merger. There might have been one Delta pilot that wanted that merger but I defy you to show me that person.

Delta led the industry in PRASM growth last year and has taken corporate market share from both AMR and LCC. We generated more profit in the fourth quarter than you generated all year. We have the best operational statistics of any large airline. We have paid down $5 billion in debt and put over $1.5 billion a year into aircraft and product improvements. We have hired over 1300 pilots since your merger. We will get another profit sharing check this year, somewhere around $12,000 for me. Our average pay has gone up over 27% in the last four years. We are on track to negotiate our second post bankruptcy agreement by the end of this year.

And you say the DL/NW merger is a failed merger? Please give me an example of a merger that went well if that is a failed merger. Doug Parker leading Delta Air Lines, the mere thought of it makes me shudder.

 

[cleardirect]

you don't want to hear my solution.. so why should I bother...and no it's not DOH with C+R's

Let me guess. Some sort of compromise.

Which in reality means the west gives and the east takes.

 

[Pi brat]

Die on Loa 93...paid lower than what American is asking for in BK then claim victory?

You do realize that the rates they are asking for are mostly higher than what US is offering, right?