US Pilots Labor Discussion

[luvn737s]

So each MDA pilot personally told you that they knew they were not mainline? What lie? USAir finally admitted that they were in fact part of mainline.

There was never a rift between mainline and the MDA pilots, they had our full support and still do.....they have always been our mainline brothers and sisters.

That's just the facts Jack! Sorry to burst the bubble which is only your opinion, which is way off target, seeing that you were never there and never involved with any of that history.

Gawd, another freakin expert with no clue! This kind of crap gets old.

breeze

Something tells me arguing with this guy will be like arguing with a 5-yr old ("so every MDA pilot told you...") A 5 yr-old on antidepressants, that is.

Yes, the MDA pilots chose to go to their or face furlough. Until you produce a bid sheet that shows every mainline pilot being offered the ability to bid E170 right along side Airbus, 737, etc. then you cannot prove that MDA was anything other than a soft landing for the furloughed.

So whether you were flipping burgers or flying Embraers (a coin toss money wise) you were the same status at the PID - furloughed. You brought nothing, you get nothing, regardless of how many years of your life you chose to throw away chasing that nothing.

Now pop another pill and go to bed, It's a school night.

 

[mrbreeze]

Something tells me arguing with this guy will be like arguing with a 5-yr old ("so every MDA pilot told you...") A 5 yr-old on antidepressants, that is.

Yes, the MDA pilots chose to go to their or face furlough. Until you produce a bid sheet that shows every mainline pilot being offered the ability to bid E170 right along side Airbus, 737, etc. then you cannot prove that MDA was anything other than a soft landing for the furloughed.

So whether you were flipping burgers or flying Embraers (a coin toss money wise) you were the same status at the PID - furloughed. You brought nothing, you get nothing, regardless of how many years of your life you chose to throw away chasing that nothing.

Now pop another pill and go to bed, It's a school night.

It just doesn't fit your fantacy that well. Just like the current situation, during the BKs, things were in limbo, therefore, there was no time involving aircraft bids. When it came down to fessing up, in the 11th hour, due to a single ops certificate, aircraft ownership, etc....USAir finally legally admitted that MDA was part of mainline.

Like I said, you weren't there and were not involved with the day to day ops.....so don't try to spin this......sorry, but you have it wrong.

breeze

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

There is career expectations in there and that by nature is the future. Career expectation are hard to define, as is anything in the future.

Was this ALPA's way of determining integration?

 

[Pi brat]

Was this ALPA's way of determining integration?

Wasn't it one if the goals of the merger policy?

 

[Move2CLT]

It just doesn't fit your fantacy that well. Just like the current situation, during the BKs, things were in limbo, therefore, there was no time involving aircraft bids. When it came down to fessing up, in the 11th hour, due to a single ops certificate, aircraft ownership, etc....USAir finally legally admitted that MDA was part of mainline.

Like I said, you weren't there and were not involved with the day to day ops.....so don't try to spin this......sorry, but you have it wrong.

breeze

The MDA pilots were not mainline. They could not bid across lists. And they were furloughed.

Leave it alone boo boo.

 

[Pi brat]

The MDA pilots were not mainline. They could not bid across lists. And they were furloughed.

Leave it alone boo boo.

You can't bid CLT. Are you mainline? Define mainline for professor.

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

Wasn't it one of the goals of the merger policy?

ALPA's merger policy?

 

[Move2CLT]

Thx Sparrow, good point.

I'm going to frame that one.



So tell me boo boo, is that how you were put onto the list on the first day of ground school? By experience?

 

[Pi brat]

ALPA's merger policy?

No, the IBT's. Who are we talking about? What's your point? I don't have ALPA's 2005 merger policy in front of me, it changed you know? I believe career expectation was part of the equation. Was it not?

 

[mrbreeze]

The MDA pilots were not mainline. They could not bid across lists. And they were furloughed.

Leave it alone boo boo.

Now you're trying to tell me what to do....I will not leave this alone.

Agreed, there was no bidding to larger aircraft due to the short timeline of MDA and things being up in the air during the BKs.

However, due to the fact that MDA was under the USAir ops certificate and USAir owned the aircraft at the time, USAir legally admitted that MDA was part of mainline, not a subsiduary.

MAINLINE PILOTS WORKING FOR USAIRWAYS, LEGALLY!

PERIOD!

breeze

 

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

No, the IBT's. Who are we talking about? What's your point? I don't have ALPA's 2005 merger policy in front of me, it changed you know? I believe career expectation was part of the equation. Was it not?

The point IS you received the "career expectation" that was required.

The point IS you said:

There is career expectations in there and that by nature is the future. Career expectation are hard to define, as is anything in the future.

If YOU bring up "career expectation" as an issue but chose to subvert the process that included "career expectation" why would anyone side with you?

 

[Move2CLT]

Now you're trying to tell me what to do....I will not leave this alone.

Agreed, there was no bidding to larger aircraft due to the short timeline of MDA and things being up in the air during the BKs.

However, due to the fact that MDA was under the USAir ops certificate and USAir owned the aircraft at the time, USAir legally admitted that MDA was part of mainline, not a subsiduary.

MAINLINE PILOTS WORKING FOR USAIRWAYS, LEGALLY!

PERIOD!

breeze

Ask any CoEx pilot where they got their uniforms from. Pay stub stock was the same. They even had the same travel cards as mainline. In fact, CoEx pilots looked like mainline more than MDA pilots did.

But they weren't mainline just like MDA pilots weren't mainline.

Period.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Show where I said what you quoted. Should be really easy.

Are you claiming that you didn't say what you said I quoted you saying?

Jim

 

[mrbreeze]

I'm going to frame that one.



So tell me boo boo, is that how you were put onto the list on the first day of ground school? By experience?

No, the I was placed on the list with my date of hire. But my 7000 hrs of previous experience contributed to my getting on the list at all, not some slotting procedure. All based on esperience, not entitlement.

breeze

 

[Move2CLT]

No, the I was placed on the list with my date of hire. But my 7000 hrs of previous experience contributed to my getting on the list at all, not some slotting procedure. All based on esperience, not entitlement.

breeze

If a guy with 4000 hours got hired with you and he was older, he'd be senior to you even with your 7000 hours, right?

So experience is insignificant after you get hired.

It's all about your hire date at your own airline. And those hire dates have to be integrated fairly in a merger.

Nic did that.