US Pilots Labor Discussion

[fifidriver]

No book boo Jesus freak, I wasn't quoting the bible. I believe in accountability and those quotes are quite commonly used.

If you think the bible has copyright on them then I've got some penny stocks for you to invest on as well.

FYI, accountability is when you live with your decision. What do you think Jesus would think of you?

I believe that if you check, a large number of versions of the Bible are actually copyrighted. I think that you're safe with the KJV.

 

[Metroyet]

They are still trying to win the war.

The War has to end somehow. Of course ending it should be the priority of every single pilot at Airways. Perhaps if Seham hadn't fought for over a year to dismiss the DJ....costing East East pilot tens of thousands of dollars in lost pay, we'd be moving fwd at this point. But it's water,(cash) under the bridge now.

 

[fifidriver]

The War has to end somehow. Of course ending it should be the priority of every single pilot at Airways. Perhaps if Seham hadn't fought for over a year to dismiss the DJ....costing East East pilot tens of thousands of dollars in lost pay, we'd be moving fwd at this point. But it's water,(cash) under the bridge now.

You're sure right about that! The West has no options available to bring an end to the war, the East however...

 

[fifidriver]

Outstanding post.

Agreed.

 

[fatherabraham]

And the LMAO was me mocking you.

I thought that was obvious but then again you're an eastie.

Boo Boo,

Good for you, far safer mocking me!
Can't blame me for ferreting out a glimmer of hope I saw in your post.
Hang in there with those dreams.........the road to Damascus can be difficult .

http://www.economist.com/node/21547305

FA

 

[fatherabraham]

. What do you think Jesus would think of you?

Boo Boo,
Sorry missed reply of Q above.
To be sure HE is disgusted!
HE forgives however, why is the BIG question.

FA

 

[Move2CLT]

Boo Boo,
Sorry missed reply of Q above.
To be sure HE is disgusted!
HE forgives however, why is the BIG question.

FA

So I can sin my butt off and then as for forgiveness down the road? I'm in!!

 

[Move2CLT]

Boo Boo,

Good for you, far safer mocking me!
Can't blame me for ferreting out a glimmer of hope I saw in your post.
Hang in there with those dreams.........the road to Damascus can be difficult .

http://www.economist.com/node/21547305

FA

Safer mocking you? Why? Jesus going to come down and get me?

With your recent moral behavior showing us the hypocrisy you have when it comes to your god's word, I'm surprised you haven't been struck down by the big guy.

Do as I say, not as I do? Is that your credo?

And yes, now I'm mocking you AND your religion.

 

[Pi brat]

I don't view the east as an enemy, but I think that a substantial number of pilots on both sides do feel that way. I'm as open and objective in this situation as I possibly can be, but the preponderance of fault lies with the east die hards. Any attempt to replace the NIC by force of the majority is illegal in my limited understanding of the RLA and it is immoral by any definition or standard of ethics because it boils down to an attempt to break a binding agreement which will knowingly and certainly bring harm to the other party (the west). I don't think it demonstrates a bias to read the RLA and all of the court filings related to this situation and conclude that USAPA is on the wrong side of the law. Furthermore, if you could find place where I situationally applied my standard that breaking an agreement without the other party's consent is perfectly moral in one circumstance but immoral in this circumstance you would certainly have proof that I was biased. Instead you have my direct statement that I think it is immoral and wrong in every circumstance (under true duress might be one possible exception I would consider).

IMO only the east can fix this situation outside of a federal court. However, I don't see any evidence that anyone in or seeking USAPA leadership is willing to admit this. If there were an east ticket that held that changing the NIC without west consent (impossible now) is both illegal (DFR) and immoral and that they were going to stop the seniority fight by immediately closing out S22 with the NIC, then I would strongly consider offering them my endorsement. Since I haven't seen where any east President/VP ticket has taken that position, then it seems like not much has changed out east and they are willing to let a third party decide their fate once again rather than taking control and taking a stand for what is right, even if it means a less than favorable outcome for some on the east. That's what leaders do. Letting a court or an arbitrator decide your fate is not leadership. Pushing an immoral but popular viewpoint is not leadership it is feeding on the ignorance and immorality of the majority.

I understand your POV and I can see why you would not vote for an east pilot without the message you are looking for. For me, as of now I do not see the west candidates as offering an even marginally better chance of improvement. One of the main reasons has to do with what one of them believes will happen in Silver's court.

I will keep listening, still have 3 candidates to hear more from.

 

[Pi brat]

The War has to end somehow. Of course ending it should be the priority of every single pilot at Airways. Perhaps if Seham hadn't fought for over a year to dismiss the DJ....costing East East pilot tens of thousands of dollars in lost pay, we'd be moving fwd at this point. But it's water,(cash) under the bridge now.

So did the west run to SCOTUS with Addington.. You wanted to bring that up, in the interest of fairness, didn't you?

 

[Pi brat]

I think that CG's got you in the long run. Isaiah 14 predicts the Palestinian demise.

Doesn't have a date on it, does it? We are all headed for the ultimate demise, it's just what do you want to do along the way.

 

[fatherabraham]

Safer mocking you? Why? Jesus going to come down and get me?


And yes, now I'm mocking you AND your religion.

Boo Boo,

I've made it clear in the past I disagree with using HIS Word to argue our Nic dispute.
That said, how am I to reply to your questions w/o an attempt at truth and honesty.
As you and rest of us mere mortals...... I fall into the hypocrite/poor morality etc etc etc class.
For your Q above.........I am not God........can only use YOUR " reap/sow" quote in better context as HE used:

Galatians 6

 7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8 Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. 9 Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. 10 Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers.

FA

 

[Move2CLT]

Boo Boo,

I've made it clear in the past I disagree with using HIS Word to argue our Nic dispute.
That said, how am I to reply to your questions w/o an attempt at truth and honesty.
As you and rest of us mere mortals...... I fall into the hypocrite/poor morality etc etc etc class.
For your Q above.........I am not God........can only use YOUR " reap/sow" quote in better context as HE used:

Galatians 6

 7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8 Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. 9 Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. 10 Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers.

FA

Uh oh. According to Galatians you're screwed.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

You and this board have helped me find Jesus. Thank you.

LMAO.

I heard he was in the conservatory, with the candlestick.

 

[Move2CLT]

I believe that if you check, a large number of versions of the Bible are actually copyrighted. I think that you're safe with the KJV.

Making money off the word of god? Who would have thunk it.

Oh ya, churches.