US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Metroyet]

Stop pounding your chest about how great the future was in your career at AWA......a failed carrier also.

breeze

Too bad there's no proof to back that up.

 

[cleardirect]

Thanks...you have made my point about the West pilots wanting to leap frog in SLI.

breeze

Says the guy that wants to step in front of west pilots because we have more time to make up for your theft.

The Nicolau does not leap frog the west. The Nicolau lets us keep what we brought to this merger. Relative seniority. A captain stays a captain.

Under your scheme DOH an east furloughed pilots become senior to a west captain. Talk about leap frogging. Kettle... black??

 

[Beancounter]

Stop pounding your chest about how great the future was in your career at AWA......a failed carrier also.

breeze

Ha, Ha, that must be why there was a non-furloughed US Air pilot in my new hire class at AWA.

 

[mrbreeze]

The Nicolau does not leap frog the west. The Nicolau lets us keep what we brought to this merger. Relative seniority. A captain stays a captain.

Under your scheme DOH an east furloughed pilots become senior to a west captain. Talk about leap frogging. Kettle... black??

DOH with C&R allows an East pilot to keep what we have brought to the table.....a lot of years of service while you boys were in diapers, Junior. At the same time it protects your positions that you currently hold until we retire in a few short years. I suppose that you can't see the greed in what you propose due to your Mesa background. It's all aboout you, eh?

breeze

 

[mrbreeze]

Ha, Ha, that must be why there was a non-furloughed US Air pilot in my new hire class at AWA.

OK, so you're a junior West pilot. Like I said, the NIC is flawed because it is not fair to you and it is not fair to me, a 25 yr East FO.

That is why it is important that we find a way to renegotiate this mess. It's like yen and yang, only in a negative way.....it just won't work.

breeze

 

[cleardirect]

DOH with C&R allows an East pilot to keep what we have brought to the table.....a lot of years of service while you boys were in diapers, Junior. At the same time it protects your positions that you currently hold until we retire in a few short years. I suppose that you can't see the greed in what you propose due to your Mesa background. It's all aboout you, eh?

breeze

The east brought 1700 furloughed pilots to the table. The east brought a BK contract to the table. The east brought 17 year FURLOUGHED pilots to the table. The C&R are complete BS. The protect nothing but the east fantasy of what you think you are owed.

Can you not see your hypocrisy that you call the west greedy at the same time you want what we have and expect us to delay our careers for a" few short years" while you get the benefit and the west pays for your 25 years of being an F/O.

NOT going to happen.

You need to get past the idea that time stands still with that crap what we currently hold. How about you guys keep what you currently hold? How about you keep what you brought? Furloughs and LOA 93. Before this merger the west had expectations of upgrading F/O's. Letting the east take those upgrade is not going to happen.

 

[traderjake]

That is why it is important that we find a way to renegotiate this mess.

You're not getting a do over.

The time to negotiate was before arbitration, not after.

 

[cleardirect]

OK, so you're a junior West pilot. Like I said, the NIC is flawed because it is not fair to you and it is not fair to me, a 25 yr East FO.

That is why it is important that we find a way to renegotiate this mess. It's like yen and yang, only in a negative way.....it just won't work.

breeze

There is no renegotiation. It just won't work.

It is your opinion that it is not fair. The guy that got to decide says it is.

BTW sorry you are a 25 year FO. But name me another airline that has 25 year FO's not by choice? You are not going transfer your 25 year FO career to me so you can upgrade.

It just won't work.

 

[fodase]

They are coming back!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XOtUQPY08R8

 

[BoeingBoy]

After 25 yrs with this company and investing over $9 billion to keep our jobs intact

See, that's your problem breezy - your investment went bust. You tossed your money away. It didn't keep your job intact. Without the merger you would have been hoping those FO's you used to fly with that went to B6 would put in a good word for you so you could start on the bottom somewhere else.

But then the merger was announced and you saw a golden opportunity to restore some of your loss by making the westies pay for it - what you mistook for the "gold standard" was merely the US standard of screwing anyone to move up some. You've done it so long you just think it's the gold standard. I bet you were one of those who threw a tantrum when the MC said that they could protect your attrition and the wide-bodies. That wasn't good enough for you and your friends - you wanted it all. But now here you are crying about attrition....stupid is as stupid does...

Jim

 

[BoeingBoy]

DOH with C&R allows an East pilot to keep what we have brought to the table....

Like 1700 or so furloughs, a stagnant career and a company going out of business? When do you think USAPA might get around to proposing this magical DOH with C&R you and your friends keep talking about? At least you confirm that it's all about east pilots...you just want what you brought to the table plus everything else for a decade so those who didn't even bring crumbs to the table can check out - they're entitled to it, right? Life is like a box of chocolates - you don't usually get only what you like...

Jim

 

[nevergiveup]

Like 1700 or so furloughs, a stagnant career and a company going out of business? When do you think USAPA might get around to proposing this magical DOH with C&R you and your friends keep talking about? At least you confirm that it's all about east pilots...you just want what you brought to the table plus everything else for a decade so those who didn't even bring crumbs to the table can check out - they're entitled to it, right? Life is like a box of chocolates - you don't usually get only what you like...

Jim

Funny how when people leave a company or retire, they seem to hope the worst for their former colleagues. I guess it makes them feel better about their decision if they see failure once they have left.

 

[crazystnic]

What part of "Binding Arbitration" do they not get?

You repeat this every other day.... Boring and does not make it happen

And by the way it's binding by ratification

 

[Freighterguynow]

You repeat this every other day.... Boring and does not make it happen

And by the way it's binding by ratification

Exactly. We get to chose if we want the new deal or just keep what we've got.

Doesn't sit well with the Mesa we saved your jobs crowd

 

[Phoenix]

OK, so you're a junior West pilot. Like I said, the NIC is flawed because it is not fair to you and it is not fair to me, a 25 yr East FO.

That is why it is important that we find a way to renegotiate this mess. It's like yen and yang, only in a negative way.....it just won't work.

breeze

The 9th was clear. The seniority dispute is internal to the union. Negotiations are between USAPA and the company. There is no requirement to use the Nic. Members of the union can sue after ratification. The SCOTUS has established the threshold for a successful DFR case--outside of a wide range of reasonableness or is wholly arbitrary.

The company is tickled purple with the current contracts and could not care less how long they are in "negotiations".

Everyone should just go fly their plane and sing the "Don't worry.. Be happy" song by Bobby McFerrin.