US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Freighterguynow]

You're not getting a do over.

if you ever hope to get a ratified contract - then yes we are getting a do over.

Otherwise, enjoy the last 5years because that's all you'll ever have.

 

[Metroyet]

if you ever hope to get a ratified contract - then yes we are getting a do over.

 

[Metroyet]

Funny how when people leave a company or retire, they seem to hope the worst for their former colleagues. I guess it makes them feel better about their decision if they see failure once they have left.

That's right. Ignore all of the undeniable facts and attack the poster. Keep it up, all is well.
Seniority is negotiable...like a crew meal.

 

[cleardirect]

Funny how when people leave a company or retire, they seem to hope the worst for their former colleagues. I guess it makes them feel better about their decision if they see failure once they have left.

Or maybe with a little distance comes perspective and clarity. Someone with nothing to lose or gain in this deal can be more honest with themselves and look at the situation unemotionaly. No one is wishing you the worst they are looking at the facts of the situation and telling you the truth. The truth is you have brought on the worst for yourselves.

How about looking in the mirror and seeing how the decision you have made for yourself has been a failure.

 

[john john]

What part of "Binding Arbitration" do they not get?

The part when the union(s) leadership negotiated them away

 

[cleardirect]

You repeat this every other day.... Boring and does not make it happen

And by the way it's binding by ratification

What part is decided by ratification? The seniority or the contract?

Think of it like this. You buy a 1/4 acre piece of land to build a house. You can build any kind of house you want as long as it passes the building inspector (negotiating with the company). But there are certain rules that you must abide by when you agree to the purchase and building permit. Lot set back, height restrictions, sewer ect. You can't go and build a house that will cover 1/3 of an acre just because you have a lot of money (the majority). You are constrained by the lot you bought and the rules you agreed to. (the Nicolau)

Go negotiate a contract. Vote all day everyday. Just realize that it is going to be constrained by the Nicolau. No stealing from your neighbors.

 

[Suge Knight]

That's the most absurd analogy I've heard yet...

 

[prechilill]

That's the most absurd analogy I've heard yet...

Really? Well, you must not have heard this one:

"Seniority is like crew meals"

Absolutely hillarious, only a caveman would buy it!

 

[cleardirect]

That's the most absurd analogy I've heard yet...

It is better than we have more people therefore we can make up whatever rules we want.

 

[traderjake]

if you ever hope to get a ratified contract - then yes we are getting a do over.

Otherwise, enjoy the last 5years because that's all you'll ever have.

I don't hope for a ratified contract and you're not getting a do over.

I expect no more than what I have for the next 5 years because of guys like you.

The courts will tell us which seniority list we will use and the overwhelming probability is it will be the Nicolau Award.

 

[fifidriver]

First....your opening sentence wreaks of stupidity.

Second.....
breeze

First....your open sentence reeks of stupidity.

Second....our union wreaks havok on our lives.

Sorry. I couldn't help myself. It was just too good to pass up.

 

[Move2CLT]

OK, so you're a junior West pilot. Like I said, the NIC is flawed because it is not fair to you and it is not fair to me, a 25 yr East FO.

That is why it is important that we find a way to renegotiate this mess. It's like yen and yang, only in a negative way.....it just won't work.

breeze

Ummmmmm, no.

 

[Ames]

. Before this merger the west had expectations of upgrading F/O's. Letting the east take those upgrade is not going to happen.

Where have you been? They already have.

 

[fifidriver]

DOH with C&R allows an East pilot to keep what we have brought to the table.....a lot of years of service while you boys were in diapers, Junior. At the same time it protects your positions that you currently hold until we retire in a few short years. I suppose that you can't see the greed in what you propose due to your Mesa background. It's all aboout you, eh?

breeze

...and now you're in diapers again, Senior...

 

[Ames]

You repeat this every other day.... Boring and does not make it happen

And by the way it's binding by ratification

Just as your chant of DOH (which has morphed into "negotiate") is boring and won't make it happen. The court will decide soon enough and one side or the other will have to suck it up. Odds are the east will have to suck it up. Looking forward to a resolution either way.