US Pilots Labor Discussion

[BoeingBoy]

I wish you'd learn to use the quote feature - it'd make your posts a lot easier to read...

"Clearly we are not going to live by this. ALPA violated its own merger policy. Harming the career expectations of every east pilot.
So keep repeating yourself it's fun to watch"

Clearly you'll liive by whatever the court decides. To claim otherwise is very foolish. It's your opinion that ALPA violated it's own merger policy, but your opinion doesn't matter. The ALPA BOD decided that the Nic award complied with ALPA merger policy and the courts give wide latitude to a union's right to interpret it's own policies. Here's an idea - file a DFR suit against ALPA. Surely you can find another lawyer willing to fleece you again. Career expectations...prior to the merger being announced? You are funny in a sad, misguided sort of way...

Jim

 

[Phoenix]

Just wondering, does it ever enter into your cranium ...
. Unbelievable.

Next up can we expect your study on how our seniority is entertwined with the price of tea in China? And then what, global warning and world hunger?

With all that money shouldn't you be on the golf course or cruising in your yacht?

 

[nic4us]

Says the smoker who will not answer a simple question. Are you saying you dont smoke now? So my statement "opinion" really was fact then wasnt it?

Weak mind? What do you call someone that intentionally harms ones own body with a habit that is known and scientifically proven to decrease a male adults lifespan by over ten years? I dont smoke - so who has the weak mind?

If you change the word habit with career, I would call them an airline pilot......

The east pilots screwing themselves on LOA93 are like smokers who decide it best to only smoke in the garage with a car running. After all, what is a little more carbon monoxide going to hurt.

 

[Phoenix]

And every other day, you easties are too freaking stupid to understand it.

Make a binding agreement, live by your binding agreement. You can't get out of it by forming a sham union. Agreements mean something!

If the company signed an agreement with you and did the BS you are pulling, you'd be outraged (and rightly so).

The cognitive dissonance and selective ignorance of the east is appalling....you agreed to let your union speak for you (collectivism) and they made an agreement.

3 sides agreed, 2 sides lived up to their agreement.

And after all these years, what has the east gained? Jack Squat! LOA93 And, you will lose because the Nic list will be implemented. You screwed over your own union "brothers"

Collective thought is for morons who can't think for themselves. You made this bed, lay in it....

You retired early? WTFDYCM?🙂

 

[fifidriver]

Next up can we expect your study on how our seniority is entertwined with the price of tea in China? And then what, global warning and world hunger?

With all that money shouldn't you be on the golf course or cruising in your yacht?

I am on the golf course.

 

[nic4us]

Calloway, I think you are by far the most intelligent west poster. Really, I do. Now a lot of other west posters are smart but they are not intelligent. With that being said you had a really good rebuttal to my post except:

One, I never said any east people or east pilots were in the line at the grocery store.

Two, where would you ever find both east and west pilots in a long line in any grocery store at the same time? Most east pilots live east and most west pilots live west. You couldnt get enough in a grocery store to even begin to form a line much less a long line as previously stated.

Your emotional response caused you to overlook the obvious and made you look, well emotional.

And by the way it was 517 not 515. They were put there because you didnt have 767s or A330s and rightfully so.

And while you are laughing think for a second about the words you ascribed to in your parting sentence. Rational, civil, and honorable. I see myself as standing up for our more junior guys that were wronged by the Nic award. These are guys that I have shared a cockpit with for over 25 years and I will continue to try and protect them. If you doubt my resolve simply look to the coming election results and then reflect back with me.

Peace

So let me get this straight. You say Nic was right in his awarding the top 517 because the West did not have 767s and A330s, yet Nic was wrong in his award because the West was not placed below soemthing else the West did not have,,,,,furloughees.


I really take exception to guys like you and NYCdriver et al, who use this arguement that you are doing it for the east junior guys, here is why. You act like you are doing some noble gesture, when in reality you are supporting nothing more less than a scab venture of stealing West pilots jobs for their benefit.

 

[cleardirect]

This is where your ideas get really dicey, R WILDER has taken the DJ to a different level, everthing GH and the CC Boys do to dismantle it will be met wth MAJORITY resistence, remember the CC boys moved their campaign forward on the CBL'S embraced by USAPA moves to the left or the right looking at your election data will be , well intervened! MM!

You are a smart and well informed guy. (anything is possible)

Why don't you tell us what R.Wilder said under oath during the TWA/ ALPA DFR case about arbitration. The guy you are now relying on, that "has taken the DJ to a different level" I will agree with you there. But not the level you guys were hoping for.

 

[Ames]

So, what facts do you have big guy?

I have read all of the transcripts regarding the Nicolau arbitration and all court cases up to and including the declaratory judgement. It appears Jim has as well. He provides you with facts yet you just call him names and claim he is deflecting when he consistantly answers your questions with facts.

Why would I even care to provide you with facts? In typical east fashion you don't really want to know the facts yet constantly ask for them. The facts don't apply to you (in your world) anyway.

 

[Ames]

I know you are just frustrated because you know you have no control whatsoever over this entire process. You also know that you will have no control over USAPA and are distraught over the pending elections. Remember what dougie said in a crew news long ago.....just keep saying the word ACCEPTANCE over and over and it will relieve your tensions grasshopper.

True, I have been frustrated because I have had little control over the process. Donating my fair share to Leonidas and fighting you fools has offered me a little control and soon (I believe) the judge will decide, you will be put in your place, and we will move on.

Ucrapa, by design, is intended to give west pilots no control and I understand that very well. That is why I put all of my faith in the court system. That is where my money (and my limited control) are well directed.

That word ACCEPTANCE is a two way street. Should the judge rule that the company must use the Nic or it will cost them, they will use the Nic. It will be up to the east pilots to accept that and I believe that train is coming through the tunnel.

 

[Ames]

Actually it could be considered landscaping in a way, part of what I do is build roads. Maybe about 35%, and it is profitable, so you were about half right. More profitable than flying no doubt, and there is still plenty of work out there even in this economy if you want it.

Were you making an attempt to discredit landscapers?

I don't think he was trying to discredit landscapers but, from the intelligence of your posts, it appears your abilities are limited to mowing lawns.

 

[nevergiveup]

True, I have been frustrated because I have had little control over the process. Donating my fair share to Leonidas and fighting you fools has offered me a little control and soon (I believe) the judge will decide, you will be put in your place, and we will move on.

Ucrapa, by design, is intended to give west pilots no control and I understand that very well. That is why I put all of my faith in the court system. That is where my money (and my limited control) are well directed.

That word ACCEPTANCE is a two way street. Should the judge rule that the company must use the Nic or it will cost them, they will use the Nic. It will be up to the east pilots to accept that and I believe that train is coming through the tunnel.

After the judge.
After the ninth(again)
After a contract (provided we get one before any merger)
Then you may see the NIC be used, and I'll be retired!

 

[BoeingBoy]

Then you may see the NIC be used, and I'll be retired!

As I thought - it's not about "the junior guys" at all since you couldn't care less what happens after you get yours...are you a captain on a certain Mediterranean cruise ship too...

Jim

 

[nic4us]

After the judge.
After the ninth(again)
After a contract (provided we get one before any merger)
Then you may see the NIC be used, and I'll be retired!

Correction !!!

You will be retired tens of thousands poorer.

PS. If Silver rules it a DFR, the 9th won't even hear usapa's case.

 

[Beancounter]

Actually it is YOUR problem.

And you want the Nic so you can jump ahead of others that have paid their dues. You want the widebodies that you didnt bring to the merger. Overall the east is slightly expanding the west are shrinking- thats why you are flying 24% former east routes. The growth and attrition favor the east - you want that too.

You guys are like spoiled little children with entitlement issues.

There is a long line at the grocery store cashiers lane.......another lane and cashier open another up..........the entitled west brats bolt for the newly opened lane ahead of others in the original lane completely disregarding the positions of others ahead of them that have been standing there longer. Thats how I see you guys.

You make your accusations based on an assumption that we took some kind of action. We didn't create the list, an impartial arbitrator did.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Next up can we expect your study on how our seniority is entertwined with the price of tea in China? And then what, global warning and world hunger?

With all that money shouldn't you be on the golf course or cruising in your yacht?

....or maybe cruising the golf course in your yacht?