US Pilots Labor Discussion

[nycbusdriver]

I am on the golf course.

Are you in your yacht, too?

 

[oscarjazz]

Next up can we expect your study on how our seniority is entertwined with the price of tea in China? And then what, global warning and world hunger?

With all that money shouldn't you be on the golf course or cruising in your yacht?

Are you seriously asserting that the value of other pilot contracts has no bearing on your future contracts? Didn't the East at one point have a contract where pay rates where directly tied to the pay rates at Delta and other carriers?

I am not talking about some esoteric metric, I am talking about the most direct comparison that would affect your contract negotiations. I know you are completely blinded to reality and think your obsession with this seniority fight is the only thing in the world. It looks to me like a lot of your pilot group is now thinking differently. I know, every pilot you fly with is 100% on board with you. The vote results seem a little different.

I am not cruising in my yacht, actually we are working quite hard on getting our SECOND agreement after our 2008 merger. But hey, keep rolling around in the muck, it seems to suit you. And yes, it's all ALPA's fault, just thought I would save you the trouble.

 

[fifidriver]

Correction !!!

You will be retired tens of thousands poorer.

PS. If Silver rules it a DFR, the 9th won't even hear usapa's case.

Well said! Although the actual number will probably be well into six figures.

 

[fifidriver]

Are you in your yacht, too?

Not now, but if we ever have a san trip at the same time, you are welcome to come drink a few beers on the boat.

 

[Phoenix]

Are you seriously asserting that the value of other pilot contracts has no bearing on your future contracts? Didn't the East at one point have a contract where pay rates where directly tied to the pay rates at Delta and other carriers?

I am not talking about some esoteric metric, I am talking about the most direct comparison that would affect your contract negotiations. I know you are completely blinded to reality and think your obsession with this seniority fight is the only thing in the world. It looks to me like a lot of your pilot group is now thinking differently. I know, every pilot you fly with is 100% on board with you. The vote results seem a little different.

I am not cruising in my yacht, actually we are working quite hard on getting our SECOND agreement after our 2008 merger. But hey, keep rolling around in the muck, it seems to suit you. And yes, it's all ALPA's fault, just thought I would save you the trouble.

What does your pay rate have to do with the seniority dispute at our airline? The company isn't even pretending to be talking about pay but if and when they do we'll be sure to tell Doug he should pay us the same as you. In fact we'll be generous and take your current rate instead of the new one (or second or third that you get by the time Doug gets serious).

Really the presumption that a capitulation on either side of the seniority despute would result in your pay rates is humorous. Unless you are married to an AWA pilot I don't know why you are so wrapped up in others business, but you are welcome to bloviate at will .

 

[mrbreeze]

I want to make a quick point...

It has been suggested that Move2CLT has been less active on these boards, lately, because he is in fact Koontz, and has to think about the up coming election, and how he comes across to the voters.

IMO, whether he is Koontz or not (which I believe he is), his out spoken, insulting attitude would cause any pilot to vote for a new hire Philly ramper, before casting a vote for Koontz.

breeze

 

[traderjake]

his out spoken, insulting attitude would cause any pilot to vote for a new hire Philly ramper, before casting a vote for Koontz.

Insults vs his opponent who advocates reneging on a mutually agreed upon arbitation and conspired with a lawyer on to do so and not get caught.

Insults are definitely the greater crime.

If Koontz is M2CLT he deserves an Acadamy Award for his campaign videos.

 

[aquagreen73s]

I want to make a quick point...

It has been suggested that Move2CLT has been less active on these boards, lately, because he is in fact Koontz, and has to think about the up coming election, and how he comes across to the voters.

IMO, whether he is Koontz or not (which I believe he is), his out spoken, insulting attitude would cause any pilot to vote for a new hire Philly ramper, before casting a vote for Koontz.

breeze

Come on Breeze. Seriously.

Had a hell of a night the other night followed by a bad insulin vile the next day. F*cking tired of this. Where's the cure.

 

[Claxon]

Just wondering, does it ever enter into your cranium that when your long suffering co-pilots finally upgrade to Captain in 5,10, 15 years from now, they will then earn what Delta FIRST OFFICERS make? Does that irony ever enter into your thinking when you evaluate your "attrition/separate ops" calculus? Our 747/777 co-pilots earn top rate $154 an hour with a 14% defined contribution. Compare that to your top paying A-330 Captains. Half our seniority list, 6,000 pilots, makes more than your A-330 captains and about 65% earn more than your A-320 Captains. And yet you consider this a victory.

Please don't show me what the world looks like under a USAPA loss, the thought of it sends shivers up my spine. Just think, if you accepted the Nicolau award and negotiated Delta+$1 tomorrow, it would be as if your entire co-pilot ranks upgraded immediately. Somehow, you think separate ops with your current contract is a victory. Unbelievable.

The western division negotiators parroted the LOA 93 pay for the 330. They also get the same pay for the 757 and 321 pay as the 320. There is no good negotiating skill there, and they were not even in bankruptcy at that time when they did that.

 

[luvn737s]

I want to make a quick point...

It has been suggested that Move2CLT has been less active on these boards, lately, because he is in fact Koontz, and has to think about the up coming election, and how he comes across to the voters.

IMO, whether he is Koontz or not (which I believe he is), his out spoken, insulting attitude would cause any pilot to vote for a new hire Philly ramper, before casting a vote for Koontz.

breeze

Sober up and try again.

Why not try to explain how Hummel will do anything different than Cleary and then justify collecting dues to do nothing. On second thought, you better JA Capt. Morgan, he ain't done yet!

I can't wait for this one.

 

[mrbreeze]

Come on Breeze. Seriously.

Had a hell of a night the other night followed by a bad insulin vile the next day. F*cking tired of this. Where's the cure.

Sorry to hear that Aqua....I know how you feel. Most people don't understand that it is a daily balancing act for the Diabetic. About the time you get in a groove for a few days, something happens that really spins your childs world around, even to the point of life threatening....it totally sucks.

Hang in there, pal.

breeze

 

[767one]

What does your pay rate have to do with the seniority dispute at our airline? The company isn't even pretending to be talking about pay but if and when they do we'll be sure to tell Doug he should pay us the same as you. In fact we'll be generous and take your current rate instead of the new one (or second or third that you get by the time Doug gets serious).

Really the presumption that a capitulation on either side of the seniority despute would result in your pay rates is humorous. Unless you are married to an AWA pilot I don't know why you are so wrapped up in others business, but you are welcome to bloviate at will .

Oscar is living in a different universe than you and I . If we were to accept the nic and kiss and make up it wil be years if not decades till we see any contract much less an industry standard contract unless the industry standard takes one hell of a dive in the next couple of years.

 

[mrbreeze]

Sober up and try again.

Hey.....my insight is better with a good drink. 😉

(btw....it's 10:30pm in Europe, so it's happy hour)

breeze

 

[mrbreeze]

Oscar is living in a different universe than you and I . If we were to accept the nic and kiss and make up it wil be years if not decades till we see any contract much less an industry standard contract unless the industry standard takes one hell of a dive in the next couple of years.

Right on Bob,

Just look at the FA's new TA, which I think will be voted down. They will get a pay raise, but only if they take on a big chunck of their medical costs.

Industry standard, my ass. Will never happen.

breeze

 

[Move2CLT]

I want to make a quick point...

It has been suggested that Move2CLT has been less active on these boards, lately, because he is in fact Koontz, and has to think about the up coming election, and how he comes across to the voters.

IMO, whether he is Koontz or not (which I believe he is), his out spoken, insulting attitude would cause any pilot to vote for a new hire Philly ramper, before casting a vote for Koontz.

breeze

No, I am not Koontz.

I am on a mod approval that was supposed to last only 48 hours.

Obviously, its gone over 48 hours.