US Pilots Labor Discussion

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Junior captain at AA 1992.
Junior captain west 1998.
Junior east captain 1986.

Look at that. A 6 year difference between each. But look at what else is there. All 3 are junior group 2 captains. Also look at what it takes to be a group 2 captain on the east. LOS will not matter a bit.

26 years to be junior captain on the east. 20 east for an AA junior captain. 14 years for a west junior captain.

Do you guys think in any universe the AA pilots will accept DOH? What position do you think a 1986 hire at AA holds? The junior east captain is a 6/1986 hire. On the AA seniority list there are 1580 pilots hired before 6/1986 for a total of 9800 active pilots.

Anyone in their right mind think that AA is going to agree to put 2226 east pilots in the top 1580 AA pilots? What was the east argument at arbitration? Wide body flying is special and therefore should be protected. AA has 125 WB. That is about 3500 AA pilots. 3500 down the AA list takes you to 1990 before the NB pilots would come in using east logic.

You can take LOS and throw it out the window. A merger between AA and LCC relative with fences for WB.

Senior furloughed guy at AA 1999 hire date.

I would love to be in on that conversation when you tell an AA pilot that your east junior NB F/O's should be slotted in with their senior WB pilots. That your F/O's should be slotted in with their captains. We saw how that worked out before.

Actually yes! when you look at fences and retirements, besides you won't even be invited to the party, another DFR your contract and out to pasture , and that all to valuable PHX hub, SCOPE, COC, just think all those AA pilots recalled to pick up the PHX covering EAST flying boy a win , win! MM! GEt on the phone to ALPA over the NAUGHLER they sure don't support your position CD!

 

[cleardirect]

It would actuall be quite civil between us as I agree that notion is rediculous.
Likewise, I would like to hear your dance on St Nic slotting sans huge fences

FA

No dance required. The Nicolau will be our seniority list. How that would be slotted or where the top starts is the important part. Like I said LOS or DOH will not matter. How many captains, how many F/O's how many furloughed pilots, how many WB, NB group I, II, III, IV aircraft. That is what is going to matter.

But read my previous post.

You can take LOS and throw it out the window. A merger between AA and LCC relative with fences for WB.

Now would you rather start the Nicolau list at number 2,3 or 4 from the top of the AA list and fence their WB or use the east logic and start the number one US Airways pilot about 3500 with no fences?

Do you want relative seniority or take your chances of getting #### slapped by another arbitrator? Can't blame ALPA merger policy this time. M/B and A/M. Bone up on AM policy. Nothing in there defines a method. DOH/LOS not required or even mentioned.

 

[Move2CLT]

Now now Boo Boo,
Don't put words in my mouth. Not prone to violence in any way and nothing to prove regardless of what you and Ames etc believe.
I believe it was you who post requirements in not to distant past as to CRM behavior.
If your as thick skinned as you lead us to believe, then we will have a blast. If not.......oh well

FA

I'm glad to hear that. You guys are quick to physically threatening other pilots and I thought you were threatening me like breeze threatened me.

 

[Move2CLT]

Actually yes! when you look at fences and retirements, besides you won't even be invited to the party, another DFR your contract and out to pasture , and that all to valuable PHX hub, SCOPE, COC, just think all those AA pilots recalled to pick up the PHX covering EAST flying boy a win , win! MM! GEt on the phone to ALPA over the NAUGHLER they sure don't support your position CD!

Yawn.

Dude, no one cares what you have to say. It's the same as you typing a paragraph of #########'s.

Peck away at your key lard all you want, but your thoughts are insignificant because your nuts.

 

[mrbreeze]

I'm glad to hear that. You guys are quick to physically threatening other pilots and I thought you were threatening me like breeze threatened me.

Are you paranoid? I didn't theaten you. If I do, there will be no doubt that it is a threat.

BTW, you have lied to me.....you're not a line pilot. Lying breeds paranoia.

breeze

 

[Move2CLT]

Are you paranoid? I didn't theaten you. If I do, there will be no doubt that it is a threat.

BTW, you have lied to me.....you're not a line pilot. Lying breeds paranoia.

breeze

Sure you did. Lookie here:

You better enjoy what you have now because life will be hell in CLT.

breeze

One thing though, and I forgot to point it out, is that you're the first hard-core eastie here to admit this:

Sure we may lose in the end...

breeze

There just may be hope.

Oh, and speaking of paranoia, with the way you guys keep thinking I'm anything and everything but a line pilot, you'd think I was getting to you.

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

Junior captain at AA 1992.
Junior captain west 1998.
Junior east captain 1986.

As usual, your numbers are pretty far off, deep sixing your hypothesis, but, hey, carry on with your fantasies.

 

[Move2CLT]

As usual, your numbers are pretty far off, deep sixing your hypothesis, but, hey, carry on with your fantasies.

I can see you jumped all over that with your "correct" numbers.

Oh, wait, no you didn't. You're just opening and closing your pie hole.

 

[mrbreeze]

Sure you did. Lookie here:



One thing though, and I forgot to point it out, is that you're the first hard-core eastie here to admit this:



There just may be hope.

Oh, and speaking of paranoia, with the way you guys keep thinking I'm anything and everything but a line pilot, you'd think I was getting to you.

All of you spinning and lying is making you look weak, you better take a break, you are too transparent with your lies.

breeze

 

[cleardirect]

As usual, your numbers are pretty far off, deep sixing your hypothesis, but, hey, carry on with your fantasies.

Junior captain at AA 1992.
Junior captain west 1998.
Junior east captain 1986.

You say my numbers are pretty far off. Really. OK I can admit my mistakes. The junior captain according to the latest award is D Hall. I chose the wrong D.Halll. Instead of 1986 hire he is a 7/1987 hire I would not call that pretty far off.

AA junior captain. 3/1992
West junior captain Johnny Mac 7/1998
East junior captain D. Hall 7/1987

I did say group II captain.

Would you still like to argue with my numbers?

 

[Harry Callahan]

Harry, don't you have one foot out the door anyway with retirement?

Do they give you guys a water cannon salute that you drive your belt loader under when you retire?

Yea I sure do & no doubt they'll take good care of me. As far as driving the belt loader it's been so long I'd have to be re trained lmao.

 

[Move2CLT]

All of you spinning and lying is making you look weak, you better take a break, you are too transparent with your lies.

breeze

Sure breeze. And your. Ore recent bouts of swearing and threats make you look sane and tough.

Save it.

At least you know you're going to lose.

 

[Beancounter]

Bean,

Ditto on confusion!
At times you seem to think/do as I , then others full of hate/spite.
Doubt were both ignorant of issues or of a mental disorder. More rationally thinking, perhaps just all the failings of the written word versus 1 on 1 communication .

I and many Easties have replied to your question many many many times.
But I will waste a couple more minutes typing only to be corrected on my thoughts and explained to again how we had our chance, what don't I understand bout binding arb, failing carrier , awa bought me .....etc etc etc.

Speaking for ONLY myself.......Just wanted to keep the attrition that I paid dearly for in many ways w/o it being snatched for good by a union brother with 17 years LOS less than I . Could of used more words but that sums it up and why I thought and think DOH with just about any fence you can name to keep your status quo and career hopes alive ok by me. Mgt decisions routinely negatively affect us differently , and no one should expect or realize a brother to make up for mgt decisions.

FA

FA,

Sorry for the confusion. If the hare/spite you're referring to happened recently, I have and do apologize. I will try not to mix posting with alcohol and visiting pilot friends. It's hard not to get angry when you have friends that got hired at other airlines after you did, but they have better schedules and make waaay more money (Delta, Alaska, Airtran, Southwest). You may be able to relate. I know the merger was the best for both companies, but if I'd known AWA was going to merge with US I would have never come here. Well, that may not be true, since this still beats any commuter. This lack of a contract and moving backward in seniority is for the birds.

Bean

 

[PullUp]

FA,

Sorry for the confusion. If the hare/spite you're referring to happened recently, I have and do apologize. I will try not to mix posting with alcohol and visiting pilot friends. It's hard not to get angry when you have friends that got hired at other airlines after you did, but they have better schedules and make waaay more money (Delta, Alaska, Airtran, Southwest). You may be able to relate. I know the merger was the best for both companies, but if I'd known AWA was going to merge with US I would have never come here. Well, that may not be true, since this still beats any commuter. This lack of a contract and moving backward in seniority is for the birds.

Bean

Quit.
Please.

 

[Res Judicata]

Quit.
Please.

After Hummel wins the election today, you're all going to want to quit. 3+ more years of LOA93, more years of waiting for a Judge to tell you what you already know, APA is going to steamroll this pointless union as well.

Steve Bradford destroyed your careers worse than any other single entity in the last 40 years of US Airways. There isn't the slightest rational argument otherwise. Here's to another era of the East pilots wallowing in their own Sh*^.