US Pilots Labor Discussion

[mrbreeze]

We've definitely had our differences Pi, but thanks.

Jim

Ok, Jim,

I do recall a lot of arguments from you no LOA93. I always thought you were all for it, and wanted to see it pushed through, since you argued about everything that came along. My apologizes, my memory is what I was going by.

However, to ridicule your co-workers as a Monday morning quarterback and to talk about your not being involved with the PBGC cap is insulting. In your last post, you mentioned Gangwal, Siegel, etc.... and asked what I did about it, like there was any control over those vultures. What did you do about it? Why do you think you are above the rest of your co-workers......like you had a voice in all this and came out better because of it?

I am not trying to put you down here....trying to understand.

breeze

 

[BoeingBoy]

I am not trying to put you down here....trying to understand.

breeze

Now that is funny....

Jim

 

[BoeingBoy]

I do recall a lot of arguments from you no LOA93.

I realize that that was a typo, but you accidentally got it right. The company had made it's offer so the worst the judge could do was let US impose it. Yet 57+% of the voters were suckered by the fear mongering and demanded "Let my daddy vote."

Jim

 

[Beancounter]

You've been misinformed or mislead. As far as I remember, the IAM is the only group that had the judge approve abrogation but they voted on the company proposal and it passed so technically even their contract wasn't abrogated.

The east pilots ratified concessions (or were "suckered") before the company even filed for abrogation in both bankruptcies. The DB pension was eliminated at the end of the first bankruptcy without a membership vote but the MEC approved that.

Jim

Jim,

Thanks for the clarification.

Bean

 

[EastUS1]

Jim,

Thanks for the clarification.

Bean

"The DB pension was eliminated at the end of the first bankruptcy without a membership vote but the MEC approved that." Note: "without a membership vote". It's perhaps a moot point at this time, but; I'd suggest the reasonable consideration of such "little" things as that above, whenever any assume/"know" that ALPA was booted out solely for Nic based reasons. It wasn't.

 

[700UW]

The CBA was abrogated, Judge Mitchell, wanted labor peace, so they had us vote on the final offer and he held the motion in abeyance.

 

[Beancounter]

"The DB pension was eliminated at the end of the first bankruptcy without a membership vote but the MEC approved that." Note: "without a membership vote". It's perhaps a moot point at this time, but; I'd suggest the reasonable consideration of such "little" things as that above, whenever any assume/"know" that ALPA was booted out solely for Nic based reasons. It wasn't.

Understand, lots of anger toward ALPA prior.

The commuter I was at had two pilots that were ex Pan Am, they had no love of ALPA, something to do with Delta.

Bean

 

[cleardirect]

Ahem. If nobody flew more than 83, would there be enough reserves, given the normal drops during the month?
If the answer is no, then you are keeping a coworker on the street by picking up open time.
The concept is simple, and cannot be rationalized.
Shame.

You can't drop them unless someone picks them up. You can't just drop it in open time and walk away.

Understand the contract before making judgement.

 

[cleardirect]

Thanks for the explanation. How does the trip trade thing work, is it seniority based? At any rate the West system seems to be more flexible than I thought. If it were me, I would utilize that flexibility to maintain an 85 (+ or - a few) hour monthly average while there were furloughees on the street.


seajay

Good for you. Bid your line, request 78-85. Get your line. Fly your line. That is what I do.

 

[cleardirect]

True Jim,

But I don't know that it would be called dumb......just suckered into investing $9 billion in order to ensure that their jobs would be there in the future.....so that is one of the factors that have us where we are today. After all, the company could declare a 2nd Bk and change their proposal, which they did, but not the pilots or employees. They changed the rules at every turn, screwing us at every turn.

So, like the FA's vote today, enough is enough. Where is the return on our $9 billion? Bottom line is that they have no intention to honor their proposals.....which is my message to the AA guy.

breeze

breeze

Wait!!!! Are you saying that it is wrong to change the rule or not live up to your agreements?

Imagine the shock on my face that an east pilot would complain when someone does not abide by their agreements!

Do any of you east pilots own a calculator or understand anything about money? You are saying that the pilot group gave up $9 billion. If there were 5000 pilots and all of you have 20 left to work that is $90,000 per year that you would need to make back just to break even. Did you and do you really think that you were going to get a return on your "investment"? At $90,000 per year you would have been better off letting Us Airways go out of business and find another job. You are never going to recover that money and ever year that you delay because you fail to live up to the Nicolau is another year that you will not recover your "investment".

But do us all a favor and don't whine about someone not honoring their deals.

 

[EastUS1]

But do us all a favor and don't whine about someone not honoring their deals.

Sigh! How about simply: "do us all a favor and don't whine" ?

Just give it time....there's little doubt that, soon, when "the entire world" eventually does recognize that the ultimate paradigm of all things ethical exists in otherwise unremarkable Tempe, nay...not just that, but also that the specific location of the human race's most evolved entities, those who've surpassed any/all previously even imagined levels of intellectual and spiritual perfection, is in fact the very same...well....Just rest easy knowing that you will then, most certainly, be called forth to begin your undoubted redemption of all humanity.....

 

[Move2CLT]

They changed the rules at every turn, screwing us at every turn.

breeze

breeze

Breeze, the pot called and left a message. Something about you being black...

 

[Move2CLT]

HUMMEL WILL SELL OUT OUR COC SCOPE YOU WATCH!

How'd that COC work out for you with this merger?

Its worthless so left him sell it out. Maybe we'll get something useful.

How much did you donate to this board so you could post your drivel?

 

[Move2CLT]

BB and I have had our differences, but I'm sorry breeze, I don't remember him on the side of anything from Norton.

Unacceptable!

Breeze is in the process of blaming others. Let him be.

 

[Move2CLT]

BB and I have had our differences, but I'm sorry breeze, I don't remember him on the side of anything from Norton.

Unacceptable!

Breeze is in the process of blaming others. Let him be.

See how bad it's gotten with the east? They now need to talk each other out of their BS.