US Pilots Labor Discussion

[jetjok1]

Happy to see you are ok.

I agree , Bob, what would these web boards be without the scab filfth east clowns!

 

[mrbreeze]

I agree , Bob, what would these web boards be without the scab filfth east clowns!

now, that's a cheap shot if I ever saw one!

breeze

 

[traderjake]

That is a true statement, however, due to different circumstances, only 2 of those "experiments" have totally worked out......not a proven science yet. So, you are only telling half a truth.

What I said is historical fact.

Jim has explained the difference between what I said and what you claim more than once.

All trader said was that the last 4 arbitrations used relative position by equipment. That is historical fact. You said that that was wrong. Your pathetic attempts to change the discussion just so you can delude yourself into thinking you're smarter than everyone else doesn't change that. None used DOH as the basis, what happened or didn't happen after the arbitration award was issued, etc. doesn't change what the arbitrator ruled. Once the arbitrator makes a ruling, the contents of that ruling are set - the contents don't change or the arbitrator doesn't issue a new award even if the original award is never used.

 

[mrbreeze]

theote name='traderjake' timestamp='1334894923' post='891668']
What I said is historical fact.

Jim has explained the difference between what I said and what you claim more than once.
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Yeah, you and Jim are both traitors to your co-workers, so I am not surprised that he would stand up for you.

question.....just because that was the way the arbitrators went (especially with seniority being much closer in the other cases) why would you throw that into your SLI claims on this board like it was the new way things are being done these days, when, in fact, they are not all proven ways to do things? Were you trying to influence the boards that we should give it up? That we were disproved and wrong to protest?

Again....a shell game?

breeze

 

[mrbreeze]

C'mon PHX Suns...kick the Clipper's butts!

 

[traderjake]

Yeah, you and Jim are both traitors to your co-workers, so I am not surprised that he would stand up for you.

A fictional character in a sucky movie said it better than I can:

"Loyalty above all else... except honor." ...............................Lieutenant Vincent Hardy from the movie Striking Distance

Maybe you and EastUS1 can rent it and watch it together.

 

[cleardirect]

Good questions Bean. For the half-cent/one-vote it's worth; I simply can't vote for a nic inclusive contract on principal...period. Having said that; I believe it's the duty of any union to strive to maximize wages/benefits/etc for it's members, and to afford the membership the right to vote on any/all truly significant issues. Were Parker to offer a non-nic based contract that provided Delta +3%, I'd think it'd be very easily passed. With nic?...I honestly don't know, with any actual certainty, how it would shake out in the east. I should note that my "Guess" is that it wouldn't pass. Despite all the chat room "debate" and "certainty" as to legal issues/outcomes....well....we none of us really know what type of "deal" might be worked with American. Consider the sly manner in which US change of control language was thwarted last time. The only rational certainty is that management is lusting to do a deal, and that our employee concerns aren't even a blip on their radar, unless they could prove troublesome to consummating said deal.

Addendum: Should it seem ludicrous to even assume any potential "NO!" vote from the east on even Delta+3, FatherAbraham nails a very salient point: "Mergers create job losses as a rule. We all know this. Trick is, not being the casualty. Historically, the most junior is at risk." With Nic?....A lot of folks would feel they were, very likely, voting themselves out of a job, for a perhaps only very brief period of semi-decent pay.

The only way we would get a delta +3% is if we merge with AA.

I know you guys have been pounding the majority rules things for years. But if we merge and get a DAL +3% you are not going to be in the majority. Your 3000 votes against 11,000 will not carry the day. Nicolau included.

As I have said before AA does not care about our seniority fight. They want us as far down the list as possible. But you will not stop a Nicolau inclusive contract if it give The AA guys a raise. So vote no but it will be inconsequential.

 

[Move2CLT]

[ote name='fodase' timestamp='1334882898' post='891604']
You clowns crack me up. What makes think you will have a say? Any you Clowns see Doug ask usapa permission? Fools, you wont have a choice.
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I will answer....

1st of all, Silver could rule against the NIC.

2nd......the NIC does not go into effect until a single contract is voted in.....therefore "our" say in the matter.

3rd......with AA slotting, you guys will suffer the most, regardless of the NIC ruling, but only for 5 yrs until a bunch of us retire. As with the original arguement.....after a few more years, the airline will be yours......only now deluted by the 9000 AA pilots.

It will all come down to what Parker offers. He has always been in control and has lined his pockets with our dispute. You are a fool if you think Parker gives a rat's ### about you or me.

breeze

1st of all, you've never been right. Silver will either go with the Nic is it or she'll tell the company to wander at their own risk. She will not go against the Nic. 100% sure on that.

So we win regardless.

2nd Ina deal between AA and Parker. He can tell their MC that he wants the integration to go through smoothly. The APA agrees to negate grate with the Nic and the Nic is now in place.

3rd. With slotting and fences, we"ll be just fine.

Nic is coming easties. And now it's coming lighting fast! 😱

 

[Move2CLT]

Boo Boo,
Your stress is showing, and NO I will not nibble the bait ur trolling with.

FA

No baiting here boo boo.

Just facts.

No wonder you won't go anywhere near my post.

Too much info.

 

[cleardirect]

what makes you think Dougie won't just sell off the west to raise cash , make it work and or eliminate the issue?

Still banging that frag drum. Get over it. If you are so sure of your position why get rid of us?

AA going to welcome you guys with open arms? Gladly Hand over DOH and those 777 manuals for the east?

BTW you all say the west has not value. Who would buy the west? Anyway I would prefer Parker did sell the west to DAL and the east goes to AA.

 

[mrbreeze]

The only way we would get a delta +3% is if we merge with AA.

I know you guys have been pounding the majority rules things for years. But if we merge and get a DAL +3% you are not going to be in the majority. Your 3000 votes against 11,000 will not carry the day. Nicolau included.

As I have said before AA does not care about our seniority fight. They want us as far down the list as possible. But you will not stop a Nicolau inclusive contract if it give The AA guys a raise. So vote no but it will be inconsequential.

all due respect, clear....

but why wouldn't the AA pilots want to put you even further down the SLI just to serve their own better? Give me one reason why they would want to give you the NIC.

Just trying to discuss....no offense.

breeze

 

[mrbreeze]

A fictional character in a sucky movie said it better than I can:

"Loyalty above all else... except honor." ...............................Lieutenant Vincent Hardy from the movie Striking Distance

Maybe you and EastUS1 can rent it and watch it together.

Why would I believe a sucky movie with a fictional character to make descisions in my life? Generally, there are different circumstances in every situation, so I think your movie doesn't hold water.

breeze

 

[Move2CLT]

all due respect, clear....

but why wouldn't the AA pilots want to put you even further down the SLI just to serve their own better? Give me one reason why they would want to give you the NIC.

Just trying to discuss....no offense.

breeze

Because Parker has been working with them inTempe all day.

He wants this integration to go without a hitch and he knows anything other then the Nic coming to the table would be a DFR and a lengthy on at that.

He told the APA to use the Nic and the rest is MB.

SLOTTING breeze. Make peace with it.

 

[mrbreeze]

Because Parker has been working with them inTempe all day.

He wants this integration to go without a hitch and he knows anything other then the Nic coming to the table would be a DFR and a lengthy on at that.

He told the APA to use the Nic and the rest is MB.

SLOTTING breeze. Make peace with it.

And you were there, Move....know this ver batim? He told the APA to use the NIC.....isn't that collusion?

breeze

 

[cleardirect]

You clowns crack me up. What makes think you will have a say? Any you Clowns see Doug ask usapa permission? Fools, you wont have a choice.

I will answer....

1st of all, Silver could rule against the NIC.

2nd......the NIC does not go into effect until a single contract is voted in.....therefore "our" say in the matter.

3rd......with AA slotting, you guys will suffer the most, regardless of the NIC ruling, but only for 5 yrs until a bunch of us retire. As with the original arguement.....after a few more years, the airline will be yours......only now deluted by the 9000 AA pilots.

It will all come down to what Parker offers. He has always been in control and has lined his pockets with our dispute. You are a fool if you think Parker gives a rat's ### about you or me.

breeze

1st. Wrong. Silver will tell the company and usapa use the or suffer the law suit.

2nd the Nicolau survives even in the next merger. It may not go into effect but it will be the list given to AA.

3rd. Using Nicolau we all suffer the same fate. So You east pilots are not going to get a better deal. Just closer to the door. Did you forget the those same 9000 AA dilute your vote and control? Usapa would be gone. East majority would be gone.