US Pilots Labor Discussion

[BoeingBoy]

Bill:
Given that the strong rumor is that Parker has offered the APA DAL rates (and a 7 yr fence for a DOH list) ...do you have access to actual DAL category pay rates?

Tom

Interesting!!!

Actually, like most of what you say, that's wrong according to the APA...

"Airline industry seniority integrations are now governed by the McCaskill-Bond Amendment, which became law in 2007. McCaskill-Bond requires a “fair and equitable” integration of seniority lists and includes a provision for a negotiated settlement between the parties. If the integration cannot be settled within 20 days, either party may refer the dispute to a neutral arbitrator, who must render a decision within 90 days. (In practice, the parties generally agree to extend the time limits as necessary.)"

Jim

 

[Metroyet]

What happened with that tool Paul Music? Did he fight to the death yet?

 

[BoeingBoy]

There's no "seem" to be saying...

Awww, what's the matter. Did I strike a nerve???

Jim

 

[Move2CLT]

What happened with that tool Paul Music? Did he fight to the death yet?

According to Father Abe, he won.

But Father Abe was wrong because psycho Music took almost the same amount of votes as Jamie.

Stand by for the runoff.

 

[EastUS1]

Awww, what's the matter. Did I strike a nerve???

Jim

You appear to desperately wish yourself capable of some/any significance it seems....even if only on some chat board. For what little it's worth; I honestly feel sorry for you. I've noted that I haven't any definite ideas as to how the possibly imminent merger will shake out. If you have some; "share with the class" at your pleasure. Regressing yourself into a petulant child hardly enhances discussion.

 

[Move2CLT]

You appear to desperately wish yourself capable of some/any significance it seems....even if only on some chat board. For what little it's worth; I honestly feel sorry for you. I've noted that I haven't any definite ideas as to how the possibly imminent merger will shake out. If you have some; "share with the class" at your pleasure. Regressing yourself into a petulant child hardly enhances discussion.

Blah, blah, blah.

You must really like to type.

 

[BoeingBoy]

You appear to desperately wish yourself capable of some/any significance it seems....

Lots of things seem different to you than to people living in reality so I'm neither surprised nor offended by your remarks. It is funny how "Mr Unflappable" can be so easily upset though... Such thin skin for someone who loves to sling the insults, no matter how verbosely written and stilted the words are.

Just another eastie who loves to chastise and malign while wrapping himself in a cloak of superiority...

Jim

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Why would Parker be in court telling judge silver that it has to be the Nicolau but now telling the APA to use DOH? Do you even think this through?

Parker wants an AA merger done. M/B means arbitration. Use the Nicolau and the AA list. It will not come out DOH. Use 3 lists it will not come out DOH. That dream is dead.

Neither side the company or APA want litigation. Nicolau no law suit. Anything else. Delay and law suit.

What do you think the 7 year fence is for? Equipment? Fencing the east into CLT, PHL and DCA? Or out of all the other bases?

My guess would be a 7 year AA WB fence. Only AA pilots can fly them.

Any restriction costs the company money. APA is not going to give up any money for east pilots to protect them. No base protection, no separate ops. No DOH.

Well if you think there would not be any "LITIGATION" with the NIC and no EASTWEST joint CBA attatched guess again! How do you know it won't be DOH with a 7 year fence? A joint CBA with the NIC going into a merger most certainly would not pass remember "NO CBA , NO NIC"! Looks like doug is ready to bail out of PHX, ? My guess this deal is all dead by the years end!

 

[BoeingBoy]

A joint CBA with the NIC going into a merger most certainly would not pass remember "NO CBA , NO NIC"!

That might have meant something when east was the majority and could theoretically vote a joint contract down, but if an AA merger comes to pass east can forget being the majority...MM - a day late and a dollar short again...

Jim

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

That might have meant something when east was the majority and could theoretically vote a joint contract down, but if an AA merger comes to pass east can forget being the majority...MM - a day late and a dollar short again...

Jim

Really JIM ya think? My point was if doug wants (now follow here) a jcba to merge with AA it will have to pass an EASTWEST vote, if he modifies the T/A which he can goes to 3 lists, which could easily be decided by USAPA and APA, my guess dead by years end! Besides if you read BATES letter to the APA(the long one in the AA thread) he tells the pilots US(DUI DOUG) mngmnt triggering no COC for AA's officers but in effect if that is true it would trigger an EAST CBA COC for the EAST pilots bringing us full circle to why vote for a "NIC" EAST WEST CONTRACT before any merger! My guess the "SECURED CREDITORS" will rule the day!

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Jim the cleaners called again and want you to pick up your uniform ! Remember it is career day at the SHADY REST HOME!

 

[Claxon]

Bill:
Given that the strong rumor is that Parker has offered the APA DAL rates (and a 7 yr fence for a DOH list) ...do you have access to actual DAL category pay rates?

Tom

Interesting!!!

Looks like the PHX legions are denied their Nic. dream. There was no joint contract to cement any seniority list. The train has left the station. Looks like the eastern division successfully destroyed the western plans. As much as they claim the Nic is the list, everyone else knows it is fading far into the rear view mirror. Greed cost them their chances. That lottery that Kirby warned them about came true. They are just like the woman in Baltimore. There is no winning ticket. The flight attendant group and the rest of all the employees did their merger in an upstanding manner. The greedy western division pilots screwed themselves royally.
The AA pilots already know the junior western pilots have already set their greedy eyes on the AA triple sevens. How long till we hear how the PHX pilots SAVED another airline? It won't be long. They love to re write history and forget their sordid past that caused a lot of the present day damage. Franke would be proud of his boys. They have finally brought the rest of the industry down to the America West standard.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Jim the cleaners called again and want you to pick up your uniform ! Remember it is career day at the SHADY REST HOME!

Pretty amug and arrogant! Especially for a guy who's career expectations are in the toilet if the Merger happens.

Let's see how it all turns out if the Merger actually happens, shall we?

IMO if the merger happens a whole lot of you are going to be sitting reserve and working holidays for the 1st time in years......

You are going to need a big fork to consume that large piece of humble pie that will be served should a merger take place.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Blah, blah, blah.

You must really like to type.

You might ask your doc if there is a Lomotil for the brain. You have a serious case of diarrhea of thought.

You probably make 20 posts for every one that East makes, and then you embarras yourself by telling East that he like to type.

What a fool! And you look more and more foolish with every post.

 

[Ames]

Lots of things seem different to you than to people living in reality so I'm neither surprised nor offended by your remarks. It is funny how "Mr Unflappable" can be so easily upset though... Such thin skin for someone who loves to sling the insults, no matter how verbosely written and stilted the words are.

Just another eastie who loves to chastise and malign while wrapping himself in a cloak of superiority...

Jim

Jim, would you like to join the pool predicting when eastus will have another breakdown?